Basically a boost builder when your not moving.

 

would 2 step be classified as an anti lag then? I could build boost when I had 2step(speedo always reads 0 and so my ecu thinks that is how fast I am going and so it was always on 2step)

 

What holsets are people using on SOHC's to make a good amount of power (400).
I was thinking hy35
Is an HX35 too large if I were to use the bullseye power housing?

 

didnt know how to insert picutures on honda-tech so here are the links of yet another holset b16
thanks to all the members on the forum and for the valuable information i took while building my car.


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haha guess i couldn't hot link it for ya

 

i just picked up a hy35 at work today. i cant belive your manifold is still in one piece.

 

yeh the manifold stays in one piece cus it does not hold the weight of the turbo. see the brackets ive put so the turbo rests on the block not the manifold

header wrap made a huge difference in spool times but also brought the issue of boost creep with a 3.5 inch downpipe .. well had to run two wastegates to eliminate creep..

 

hey guys..

well.. for quite some time, I was going to build a b18c1 NA...

however, looking into the cost to get headwork done, cams, etc etc., I'm thinking I could pick up a holset cheap enough that it would probably work out about the same in the end, and obviously I get boost this way ... boost is better

so...

This is my tenative list..

stock sleeve (81.5/82mm)
Forged pistons (CP's most likely.. but open to thoughts..)
eagle rods
stock head (maybe p+p and a valve job by a local since it is already apart)
exhaust = 2.5 from the cat back currently
manifold - because they are t3 (both I believe??), I'll see if I can get a log manifold from a buddy of mine... (cost is a factor)

so.. I, after reading through the thread, I'm thinking hx35 or hy35... I like the idea of a quick spool with the hy35... This is for a daily driver, and I want something that will pull nicely off the line.. however, I'm thinking that the hy35 may start to choke out up top..

as far as tranny, I'm thinking of running an ls trans because of the longer gears, traction, availability, cost (not much else available locally, and what is, is expensive) , and economy.. (I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too )

looking for input on this setup... I'm thinking the hx35 would be a great choice, but I want a ride that will spool decently quick... I'm wondering if the 2.5 exhaust will be too small?

your input is appreciated! (I'm on page14 of the thread now.. lol.. still have a lot of reading to catch up..)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95civhb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey guys..

well.. for quite some time, I was going to build a b18c1 NA...

however, looking into the cost to get headwork done, cams, etc etc., I'm thinking I could pick up a holset cheap enough that it would probably work out about the same in the end, and obviously I get boost this way ... boost is better

so...

This is my tenative list..

stock sleeve (81.5/82mm)
Forged pistons (CP's most likely.. but open to thoughts..)
eagle rods
stock head (maybe p+p and a valve job by a local since it is already apart)
exhaust = 2.5 from the cat back currently
manifold - because they are t3 (both I believe??), I'll see if I can get a log manifold from a buddy of mine... (cost is a factor)

so.. I, after reading through the thread, I'm thinking hx35 or hy35... I like the idea of a quick spool with the hy35... This is for a daily driver, and I want something that will pull nicely off the line.. however, I'm thinking that the hy35 may start to choke out up top..

as far as tranny, I'm thinking of running an ls trans because of the longer gears, traction, availability, cost (not much else available locally, and what is, is expensive) , and economy.. (I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too )

looking for input on this setup... I'm thinking the hx35 would be a great choice, but I want a ride that will spool decently quick... I'm wondering if the 2.5 exhaust will be too small?

your input is appreciated! (I'm on page14 of the thread now.. lol.. still have a lot of reading to catch up..) </TD></TR></TABLE>

basicly two questions you need to ask yourself and answer

1 what is most power you think you'll want out of this turbo
2 when you say spool relatively soon what do you mean how much lag can you tolerate and still be happy

other than the 2 turbos you mentioned you may want to consider the he351 which is a newer holset off of the 6.7 dodge i think its 6.7 i know its 6. something and its new

its just a touch smaller than a 35r

 

try and get a 3in or bigger, I would go hx35 if I were you. you will learn fast that smaller turbo's makes you want more because you just taste the icing on the cake.......just get a full bite and go with the hx35 you will not regret it. keep your gsr tranny if you have one on there. ls=gay unless you want to steal the 5th gear off of it then that is ok/a smart thing to do.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoolin turbo s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


1 what is most power you think you'll want out of this turbo
2 when you say spool relatively soon what do you mean how much lag can you tolerate and still be happy

other than the 2 turbos you mentioned you may want to consider the he351 which is a newer holset off of the 6.7 dodge i think its 6.7 i know its 6. something and its new

its just a touch smaller than a 35r </TD></TR></TABLE>

1. This is my first turbo car... I hear boost is addicting so... having room to turn it up would be good... although where it will be a DD for a while, I'm thinking 300whp will be lots for what I want to accomplish... Probably the most I'd want to go is about 400hp...
2. If I can develop a good amount of boost by 3500-4000, that would work... with the ls trans, I am concerned about falling out of boost if I run something too big (hence why I'm not looking at an hx-40 or larger)

I'm thinking the hx35 might be the way to go... I'm just wondering with my setup if it will develop boost quickly enough.. I know some guys early in the thread said they were getting full boost by +/- 4k ..

The other advantage with the hx35 is it gives me a little longer to get it pointed in a straight line

things that I'm concerned about:
a) the exhaust (is 2.5 going to cause too much lag?? It's not mandrel, however, they bends are still pretty well done.. should still flow well)
b) manifold choice (I want to do a log because of cost... I can probaly get one for little to nothing. If I go to a custom setup, I'm probably looking at 500 plus for something decent (ramhorn, mini ramhorn, or even more for a sidewinder)

any thoughts on those concerns?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by big-cat &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">try and get a 3in or bigger, I would go hx35 if I were you. you will learn fast that smaller turbo's makes you want more because you just taste the icing on the cake.......just get a full bite and go with the hx35 you will not regret it. keep your gsr tranny if you have one on there.
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don't have the gsr tranny got a steal on the motor though

 

well if you think the MOST you would want is 400 i THINK the hy 35 will do that and obviously it will spool sooner

i would definately go 3 inch on the downpipe and exhaust

if someone can make you a log mani the SHOULD be albe to make you a mini me type of manifold seen here



and here is the equal length mini me...cody says with a gt2871r it made 10 psi by 3700 rpm's on a b16.....he sells the mini me for 550 and the equal length mini me for 700




its not as good as a topmount or ramhorn but its better than a log

 

I should have clarified..

my friend is a vw diesel guy who would have access to manifolds/have extra ones kicking around...

the hy will bolt onto a t3 manifold the same as the hx35 correct?? or are they different?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95civhb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I should have clarified..

my friend is a vw diesel guy who would have access to manifolds/have extra ones kicking around...

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what do you mean here?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95civhb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the hy will bolt onto a t3 manifold the same as the hx35 correct?? or are they different?

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it'll bolt up

i've seen the dyno of a 1.8 20V VW motor using a hy35 and it made 20 psi at about 4k rpm's and made something like 330 whp on pump gas

it wouldn't take near that amount of boost for you to do it with a gsr motor since its ALOT more efficient with a much better head VW head just flows a little more than a d16

 

"if someone can make you a log mani the SHOULD be albe to make you a mini me type of manifold seen here"

all I was saying is that he has manifolds that will fit because a t3... he doesn't make manifolds himself...

 

oh ok

 

the hy35 isn't a twin scroll design correct???

what would be the ideal manifold to run to avoid boost spike?? something of equal length I presume?

 

I've been reading through this and hopefully you guys can comment.

Stock B16 in a 93 GS-R, thinking about using a HX35. Top mount mani I think, though not sure what brand, 50mm wastegate to hopefully eliminate creep....
Around what rpm do you think I would get it all spooled up?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95civhb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the hy35 isn't a twin scroll design correct???

what would be the ideal manifold to run to avoid boost spike?? something of equal length I presume?</TD></TR></TABLE>

as long as the mani has good wastegate placement it should be alright

and the gsr should spool the hx35 i would guess at or right before 5k rpms

 

i looked through this whole thing at one time or another and can anyone say for sure what size oil line to run. i have a -3 right now, and the stock cummins one, but the cummins one isnt nearly long enough, so i was going to put in hard line to it, but i have a feeling its going to be a pain in the ***.

also, is a 1/2" drain line succificent?

thanks

Eric

 

making progress here. might have some 52 times soon.

 

Looking good Swapped.

I remember seeing the vids of your car with the hx40. Sounded badass.

 

So here a question for you guys, I have a built LS 81.5mm Wiseco 9.5:1, eagle rods, ARP head studs, Ferrea SS valves, KMS dual Valve Springs, KMS Titanium Retainers, and Crower 404 cams. I'm running a tubular equal length manifold. The fuel system consists of of a Walbro 255Lph, 650cc injectors, AEM FPR and AEM fuel rail. This setup will be tuned on an AEM EMS with a B16 tranny. DO NOT consider price, Think of it as both chargers are already purchased. Which would you prefer a Holset HX35 freshly rebuilt with a balanced shaft or a Garret GT35R with a modified compressor wheel?

 

35r easy its bigger and better