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Re: (h23isnotabigblock)
youd only be able to get about 400 outta those injectors i'd say on the f22 hybrid just go with an hx35 with maybe a 14cm exhaust housing, or possibly the 12cm as i don't know how well those heads flow. but the hx35 would have no trouble maxing those injectors out as it flows around 60lbs/min
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b20vtechb »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as i don't know how well those heads flow.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the head is a jdm f20b, which is essentially a h22 head. i have the manual trans head which has the larger cams, and it is said that the f20 head flows better than the h22, but i dunno. i think im going to go with the hx35, i think it will be plenty for what im doing with the car.
since im limited to around 400whp with the injectors, what kinda of boost am i looking at? i hope it is in the 12-15 psi range so i can use the turbo where it is most efficent.
also, what is the limit on the stock f22 pistons, being it is low compression, will it hold up decently at around 400, im going to tune it with crome.
sorry so long, thanks
Eric
the head is a jdm f20b, which is essentially a h22 head. i have the manual trans head which has the larger cams, and it is said that the f20 head flows better than the h22, but i dunno. i think im going to go with the hx35, i think it will be plenty for what im doing with the car.
since im limited to around 400whp with the injectors, what kinda of boost am i looking at? i hope it is in the 12-15 psi range so i can use the turbo where it is most efficent.
also, what is the limit on the stock f22 pistons, being it is low compression, will it hold up decently at around 400, im going to tune it with crome.
sorry so long, thanks
Eric
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Re: (h23isnotabigblock)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h23isnotabigblock »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
since im limited to around 400whp with the injectors, what kinda of boost am i looking at? i hope it is in the 12-15 psi range so i can use the turbo where it is most efficent.
Eric</TD></TR></TABLE>12-15 efficent range...lmao these things are decent up into the 2.0 ratios well above where youll be taking it...its a huge difference between 7-10psi and 12+ it just wakes up nder 15lbs or so...
since im limited to around 400whp with the injectors, what kinda of boost am i looking at? i hope it is in the 12-15 psi range so i can use the turbo where it is most efficent.
Eric</TD></TR></TABLE>12-15 efficent range...lmao these things are decent up into the 2.0 ratios well above where youll be taking it...its a huge difference between 7-10psi and 12+ it just wakes up nder 15lbs or so...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drumking15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">12-15 efficent range...lmao these things are decent up into the 2.0 ratios well above where youll be taking it...its a huge difference between 7-10psi and 12+ it just wakes up nder 15lbs or so...</TD></TR></TABLE>
i just dont want to waste a good turbo if i cant support it where it is most efficient, like im going to prolly run 15-16, hoping my bottom end can take it. which should make it, and myself happy.
a friend of mine wants to run one on his stock h22 and only boost 8lbs, and i feel like that is a waste of a good holset, so i sold him my old 57 trim, and he is very happy.
what is this turbo like when it comes up in boost before the 12+ range? is it flat and then hammer, or like good then really good?
i just dont want to waste a good turbo if i cant support it where it is most efficient, like im going to prolly run 15-16, hoping my bottom end can take it. which should make it, and myself happy.
a friend of mine wants to run one on his stock h22 and only boost 8lbs, and i feel like that is a waste of a good holset, so i sold him my old 57 trim, and he is very happy.
what is this turbo like when it comes up in boost before the 12+ range? is it flat and then hammer, or like good then really good?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h23isnotabigblock »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
what is this turbo like when it comes up in boost before the 12+ range? is it flat and then hammer, or like good then really good?
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compared to my buddies sc44...it takes a lil bit to spool it up...but then once its up...no joke it runs like a rapped ape!
and anything sub 10psi is nearly pointless on a holset...i ran mine at 7psi just to boot around town...but once i tuned it to upwards of 15...i was much much happier...15psi open dp on my ls/vtec was more than plenty for 3rd spinnage on my 235 bfg's....and beyond that would be rather useless except for highway pulls...and it was plenty of power to keep up w/ bikes from a roll or spank some vettes
what is this turbo like when it comes up in boost before the 12+ range? is it flat and then hammer, or like good then really good?
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compared to my buddies sc44...it takes a lil bit to spool it up...but then once its up...no joke it runs like a rapped ape!
and anything sub 10psi is nearly pointless on a holset...i ran mine at 7psi just to boot around town...but once i tuned it to upwards of 15...i was much much happier...15psi open dp on my ls/vtec was more than plenty for 3rd spinnage on my 235 bfg's....and beyond that would be rather useless except for highway pulls...and it was plenty of power to keep up w/ bikes from a roll or spank some vettes
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Re: (drumking15)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drumking15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
and anything sub 10psi is nearly pointless on a holset...i ran mine at 7psi just to boot around town...but once i tuned it to upwards of 15...i was much much happier...15psi open dp on my ls/vtec was more than plenty for 3rd spinnage on my 235 bfg's....and beyond that would be rather useless except for highway pulls...and it was plenty of power to keep up w/ bikes from a roll or spank some vettes </TD></TR></TABLE>
what size injectors are you running? i am using evo 560s and i feel like that is my only limiting factor. the low compression of my f22/f20b swap will let me get away with a pretty good amount of boost, but i know im going to run out of injector before i am limited by the motor... i guess the only way to find out is just to just bolt one on, start at 8lbs, (wastegate spring) and go from there. i will just have to datalog everything and see where my injestor duty cycle is.
aso i have a 1:1 fpr and would it be a bad idea to use that to help my injectors out a little more, instead of breaking down and buying bigger ones?
Eric
and anything sub 10psi is nearly pointless on a holset...i ran mine at 7psi just to boot around town...but once i tuned it to upwards of 15...i was much much happier...15psi open dp on my ls/vtec was more than plenty for 3rd spinnage on my 235 bfg's....and beyond that would be rather useless except for highway pulls...and it was plenty of power to keep up w/ bikes from a roll or spank some vettes </TD></TR></TABLE>
what size injectors are you running? i am using evo 560s and i feel like that is my only limiting factor. the low compression of my f22/f20b swap will let me get away with a pretty good amount of boost, but i know im going to run out of injector before i am limited by the motor... i guess the only way to find out is just to just bolt one on, start at 8lbs, (wastegate spring) and go from there. i will just have to datalog everything and see where my injestor duty cycle is.
aso i have a 1:1 fpr and would it be a bad idea to use that to help my injectors out a little more, instead of breaking down and buying bigger ones?
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Re: (h23isnotabigblock)
your fine on compression it will alow you to up the psi alittle more. i have 9.5 on my h22 and i run 15-18psi all day thats why the dsm and wrx guy can run such hg boost on pump.
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Re: (h23isnotabigblock)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h23isnotabigblock »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
what size injectors are you running? i am using evo 560s and i feel like that is my only limiting factor. the low compression of my f22/f20b swap will let me get away with a pretty good amount of boost, but i know im going to run out of injector before i am limited by the motor... i guess the only way to find out is just to just bolt one on, start at 8lbs, (wastegate spring) and go from there. i will just have to datalog everything and see where my injestor duty cycle is.
aso i have a 1:1 fpr and would it be a bad idea to use that to help my injectors out a little more, instead of breaking down and buying bigger ones?
Eric</TD></TR></TABLE>
i was running 780's on my ls/vtec....and had plenty of injector left...but the f22's are a whole nother beast...
what size injectors are you running? i am using evo 560s and i feel like that is my only limiting factor. the low compression of my f22/f20b swap will let me get away with a pretty good amount of boost, but i know im going to run out of injector before i am limited by the motor... i guess the only way to find out is just to just bolt one on, start at 8lbs, (wastegate spring) and go from there. i will just have to datalog everything and see where my injestor duty cycle is.
aso i have a 1:1 fpr and would it be a bad idea to use that to help my injectors out a little more, instead of breaking down and buying bigger ones?
Eric</TD></TR></TABLE>
i was running 780's on my ls/vtec....and had plenty of injector left...but the f22's are a whole nother beast...
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Re: (drumking15)
i was thinking about upgrading to 780s from my 560s, or just jump to 1000s, but i think they will be excessive, im only going to run like 15-16lbs, afterall it is just my DD, how much power do you need?
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Re: (h23isnotabigblock)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h23isnotabigblock »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was thinking about upgrading to 780s from my 560s, or just jump to 1000s, but i think they will be excessive, im only going to run like 15-16lbs, afterall it is just my DD, how much power do you need?
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one thing w/ injectors....is you can never have enough to the extent where you tuner cant idle them...aside from that anthing sub 1000cc's shouldnt be all that hard to idle
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one thing w/ injectors....is you can never have enough to the extent where you tuner cant idle them...aside from that anthing sub 1000cc's shouldnt be all that hard to idle
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one thing w/ injectors....is you can never have enough to the extent where you tuner cant idle them...aside from that anthing sub 1000cc's shouldnt be all that hard to idle </TD></TR></TABLE>
i found a good price on some RC 780s, but i need to sell my evo560s first i guess...
i think bigger injectors are going to be in my plans then.
not to change the subject, but is prelittlelude still running his hybrid? he is the reason for my motor, its a f22a bottom with the dohc vtec f20b top end. i cant wait to see what 15lbs and the hx35 will do.
Eric
one thing w/ injectors....is you can never have enough to the extent where you tuner cant idle them...aside from that anthing sub 1000cc's shouldnt be all that hard to idle
</TD></TR></TABLE>i found a good price on some RC 780s, but i need to sell my evo560s first i guess...
i think bigger injectors are going to be in my plans then.
not to change the subject, but is prelittlelude still running his hybrid? he is the reason for my motor, its a f22a bottom with the dohc vtec f20b top end. i cant wait to see what 15lbs and the hx35 will do.
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not to change the subject, but is prelittlelude still running his hybrid? he is the reason for my motor, its a f22a bottom with the dohc vtec f20b top end. i cant wait to see what 15lbs and the hx35 will do.
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yep still running strong...as far as i know no plans to change his setup...although i know he wants to build a rwd lude in the near future
altho his lude w/ the sc44 never pulled as hard up top as my car...altho that torque down low...omg he'd get me from a digg...but then again he wasnt running a ton of boost like me
i think he's still on spring pressure 9psi....but its plenty for rompn on most cars around here 
not to change the subject, but is prelittlelude still running his hybrid? he is the reason for my motor, its a f22a bottom with the dohc vtec f20b top end. i cant wait to see what 15lbs and the hx35 will do.
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yep still running strong...as far as i know no plans to change his setup...although i know he wants to build a rwd lude in the near future
altho his lude w/ the sc44 never pulled as hard up top as my car...altho that torque down low...omg he'd get me from a digg...but then again he wasnt running a ton of boost like me
i think he's still on spring pressure 9psi....but its plenty for rompn on most cars around here
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yep still running strong...as far as i know no plans to change his setup...although i know he wants to build a rwd lude in the near future </TD></TR></TABLE>
RWD, thats where i think honda dropped the ball, i still think the lude platform should have been RWD. my next car is going to be either a 240/rb or sc300 because i want the rear drive.
hopefully this week all my parts will be here, and ill be pushing with holset power! pics will be up too!
what kind of oil feed and return flanges does the holset use? can i use my flanges off my old garrett?
and my last question, im using the H22 ramhorn mani from xspower (i know i know, but i got it for 35 shipped and im a tig welder by trade so i have been working on guessets for it) but anyways i had to cut some of my block to fit the t3/t04 i had on there before, and i know the holset it bigger, is it going to fit with having the compressor on the tranny side? this manifold has been a pain since the beginning (i LOVE how the wastegate dumps directly on to the alternator! which made making a tube for it pleasant 
) but i cant afford to upgrade right now.
thanks
Eric
yep still running strong...as far as i know no plans to change his setup...although i know he wants to build a rwd lude in the near future
</TD></TR></TABLE>RWD, thats where i think honda dropped the ball, i still think the lude platform should have been RWD. my next car is going to be either a 240/rb or sc300 because i want the rear drive.
hopefully this week all my parts will be here, and ill be pushing with holset power! pics will be up too!
what kind of oil feed and return flanges does the holset use? can i use my flanges off my old garrett?
and my last question, im using the H22 ramhorn mani from xspower (i know i know, but i got it for 35 shipped and im a tig welder by trade so i have been working on guessets for it) but anyways i had to cut some of my block to fit the t3/t04 i had on there before, and i know the holset it bigger, is it going to fit with having the compressor on the tranny side?
this manifold has been a pain since the beginning (i LOVE how the wastegate dumps directly on to the alternator! which made making a tube for it pleasant ) but i cant afford to upgrade right now. thanks
Eric
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the oil feed will work but i cant remember the fitting size off the top of my head...ask stan from fast-turbo and he should be able to hook it up....and the return flange should be the same as your t3/t4...
i doubt its gonna fit on the tranny side :-(...gl w/ it tho...if you had to grind for the t3/t4 im more than willin to bet its not even gonna be close...the offset on the holsets is rather large...not to mention the comp housing is massive!
i doubt its gonna fit on the tranny side :-(...gl w/ it tho...if you had to grind for the t3/t4 im more than willin to bet its not even gonna be close...the offset on the holsets is rather large...not to mention the comp housing is massive!
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Re: (h23isnotabigblock)
Quote, originally posted by h23isnotabigblock »
what kind of oil feed and return flanges does the holset use? can i use my flanges off my old garrett?
and my last question, im using the H22 ramhorn mani from xspower (i know i know, but i got it for 35 shipped and im a tig welder by trade so i have been working on guessets for it) but anyways i had to cut some of my block to fit the t3/t04 i had on there before, and i know the holset it bigger, is it going to fit with having the compressor on the tranny side? this manifold has been a pain since the beginning (i LOVE how the wastegate dumps directly on to the alternator! which made making a tube for it pleasant ) but i cant afford to upgrade right now.
thanks
Eric
IM SURE THE T3 T4 GARRETT FLANGE WORKS!!! I HAVE A RETURN FLANGE BUT HAVE NO CLUE WHO MAKES IT!!!
ALSO WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE CHANGE THAT TURBO MANIFOLD!!
ITS NO SECERT WHY!! HOLSET TURBO IS A TANK!! THATS GOING TO BREAK THE **** OUT OF THAT XS POWER MANIFOLD!!
**** IS JUNK!! NO MATTER HOW MUCH SUPPORT YOU ADD ITS GOING TO
CRACK OR DROP THE **** OFF ON YOU
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what kind of oil feed and return flanges does the holset use? can i use my flanges off my old garrett?
and my last question, im using the H22 ramhorn mani from xspower (i know i know, but i got it for 35 shipped and im a tig welder by trade so i have been working on guessets for it) but anyways i had to cut some of my block to fit the t3/t04 i had on there before, and i know the holset it bigger, is it going to fit with having the compressor on the tranny side? this manifold has been a pain since the beginning (i LOVE how the wastegate dumps directly on to the alternator! which made making a tube for it pleasant ) but i cant afford to upgrade right now.
thanks
Eric
IM SURE THE T3 T4 GARRETT FLANGE WORKS!!! I HAVE A RETURN FLANGE BUT HAVE NO CLUE WHO MAKES IT!!!
ALSO WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE CHANGE THAT TURBO MANIFOLD!!
ITS NO SECERT WHY!! HOLSET TURBO IS A TANK!! THATS GOING TO BREAK THE **** OUT OF THAT XS POWER MANIFOLD!!
**** IS JUNK!! NO MATTER HOW MUCH SUPPORT YOU ADD ITS GOING TO
CRACK OR DROP THE **** OFF ON YOU
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should i just buy a cast mani from ebay then? they position the turbo flange sorta parallel with the manifold flange. they only thing i never liked about them was the wastegate placement. the cast will be considerly stronger also.
for oil fittings, i have an aluminum plate with a -10 (5/8) barb threaded in, and the feed is the function 7 off ebay with the restrictor, which i planned on using. i think i read somewhere in this long *** thread i need a restrictor correct?
thanks
Eric
i was just thinking, i have access to pretty much every machine known to man, i should just build my own gd manifold... i would ask more questions about how to make one, but ill use the "search" feature first... i have already hi-jacked the thread enough...
Modified by h23isnotabigblock at 11:09 AM 3/25/2008
for oil fittings, i have an aluminum plate with a -10 (5/8) barb threaded in, and the feed is the function 7 off ebay with the restrictor, which i planned on using. i think i read somewhere in this long *** thread i need a restrictor correct?
thanks
Eric
i was just thinking, i have access to pretty much every machine known to man, i should just build my own gd manifold... i would ask more questions about how to make one, but ill use the "search" feature first... i have already hi-jacked the thread enough...
Modified by h23isnotabigblock at 11:09 AM 3/25/2008
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cast iron much better for the holset turbo!! also not sure about the restrictor!
but i guest on a honda its better to have due to the oil pressure!!
but if i was you !! i would have made 10 manifold and downpipes !! if i had the skill and access to do so!! make it happen
but i guest on a honda its better to have due to the oil pressure!!
but if i was you !! i would have made 10 manifold and downpipes !! if i had the skill and access to do so!! make it happen
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Re: (holset b18c)
ive been reading up on building one all day, (oops! not much work being done from me today!) and i am going to attempt it myself!
here is what i have come up with so far, (sorry for the hi-jack again)
im going to use 1 1/2" sch. 40, 304 sst weld-ells, i have an abundance of 308 filler here, (actually just got 20lbs yest.) and we have some old 304 1/2 plate here im going to mill my flanges from.
now all i need is a hx35, and my boss to leave for a while so i can pull my car in and mock some **** up!
i was thinking about doing a topmount, but i think ill try to keep it simple and do a ramhorn. probally wont be eq. length, but ill attempt it. i was thinking of going with a twin-scroll like this https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1 but i dont want to get too crazy for my first one.
ill let you guys know how it goes...
thanks everyone.. once again im sorry to hi-jack this thread, i know im straying away from the holset theme...
Eric
here is what i have come up with so far, (sorry for the hi-jack again)
im going to use 1 1/2" sch. 40, 304 sst weld-ells, i have an abundance of 308 filler here, (actually just got 20lbs yest.) and we have some old 304 1/2 plate here im going to mill my flanges from.
now all i need is a hx35, and my boss to leave for a while so i can pull my car in and mock some **** up!
i was thinking about doing a topmount, but i think ill try to keep it simple and do a ramhorn. probally wont be eq. length, but ill attempt it. i was thinking of going with a twin-scroll like this https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1 but i dont want to get too crazy for my first one.
ill let you guys know how it goes...
thanks everyone.. once again im sorry to hi-jack this thread, i know im straying away from the holset theme...
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does anyone run the holset hy35/he351cw ? what are there spool characteristics and such ?
i got mine in but im still waiting on a few things before i can drive it.
here are some pics.
it took some fabing to get it to work. (comp housing is huge !!).
here is as it sits right now
mine didnt come with the elbow so it took some time looking for the v-band flange. local diesel shop has them custom made. ~35bux.
i got mine in but im still waiting on a few things before i can drive it.
here are some pics.
it took some fabing to get it to work. (comp housing is huge !!).
here is as it sits right now
mine didnt come with the elbow so it took some time looking for the v-band flange. local diesel shop has them custom made. ~35bux.
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Re: (zex_cool)
what about the feed line? i have one of those function 7 restrictors, will that work? do i need to restrict the flow? im using a -3an feed, would that be succifient to just thread that straight in to the turbo?