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Re: (_Morphius_)
When I look at my hy35 I see an inablity to clock the compressor housing w/out moving the chra. Can someone please explain this to me. Given that I just spent 30min trying to figure this out to no avail, I feel rather dumb right now. :/
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Re: (_Morphius_)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by _Morphius_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
MY= model year. Auto industry lingo. 2003-present is technically the he351. There are some at Holset that still call it a Hy35, just depends you who you catch. 2004 MY got the electronic solenoid. 2005 MY is the HX35/40 hybrid. I don't think they designated the 2005 MY as the HE451, although it could be.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So is there any difference between the he351 and hy35? Is there any difference between the normal and H.O. turbos for the same year? What about the 05, is the "hx35/40 hybrid" as you call it only for the H.O. or are the trucks all the same or what? Thanks for your help..where did you get your info, could you send me to a site?
I though the turbo I was getting was a high output he351cw, which was larger than the hy35. If it's not larger than the hy35, I'm selling it, in favor of the he451cw.
MY= model year. Auto industry lingo. 2003-present is technically the he351. There are some at Holset that still call it a Hy35, just depends you who you catch. 2004 MY got the electronic solenoid. 2005 MY is the HX35/40 hybrid. I don't think they designated the 2005 MY as the HE451, although it could be.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So is there any difference between the he351 and hy35? Is there any difference between the normal and H.O. turbos for the same year? What about the 05, is the "hx35/40 hybrid" as you call it only for the H.O. or are the trucks all the same or what? Thanks for your help..where did you get your info, could you send me to a site?
I though the turbo I was getting was a high output he351cw, which was larger than the hy35. If it's not larger than the hy35, I'm selling it, in favor of the he451cw.
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Re: (Si Shane)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Si Shane »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When I look at my hy35 I see an inablity to clock the compressor housing w/out moving the chra. Can someone please explain this to me. Given that I just spent 30min trying to figure this out to no avail, I feel rather dumb right now. :/</TD></TR></TABLE>
Go Here: http://www.holset.co.uk/files/...s.php
Go to HY35, download the manual, page 16 you can see it all broken down. There is a Ring clip holding the compressor to the CHRA.
It also shows you can remove the little ring in the air intake....what is the advantage? I thought they put that "restrictor" in there to reduce sound..?
Go Here: http://www.holset.co.uk/files/...s.php
Go to HY35, download the manual, page 16 you can see it all broken down. There is a Ring clip holding the compressor to the CHRA.
It also shows you can remove the little ring in the air intake....what is the advantage? I thought they put that "restrictor" in there to reduce sound..?
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Re: (Si Shane)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Si Shane »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When I look at my hy35 I see an inablity to clock the compressor housing w/out moving the chra. Can someone please explain this to me. Given that I just spent 30min trying to figure this out to no avail, I feel rather dumb right now. :/</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yep, all you need is some strong snap ring pliers for the retaining ring and to remove the little pin (pliers work fine) that just sits in the chra and keeps the comp housing clocked @ a certain way. It looks to me like it is maybe something that is there for the assembly of the turbo so the wg mount on the comp housing meets up with the arm for the int wg perfectly. I don't know if it is to keep the comp housing articulated and not slip to a different angle or somethin, that snap ring in there is fukin mean!!! I don't c it allowing the comp housing to move much. Watch those fingers and def wear some eye protection when removing.
Yep, all you need is some strong snap ring pliers for the retaining ring and to remove the little pin (pliers work fine) that just sits in the chra and keeps the comp housing clocked @ a certain way. It looks to me like it is maybe something that is there for the assembly of the turbo so the wg mount on the comp housing meets up with the arm for the int wg perfectly. I don't know if it is to keep the comp housing articulated and not slip to a different angle or somethin, that snap ring in there is fukin mean!!! I don't c it allowing the comp housing to move much. Watch those fingers and def wear some eye protection when removing.
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Re: (_Morphius_)
Go to the NA forum, or m24x.zeroforum.com, they post up flowcharts left and right. You're the one making claims not knowing Honduh headflow, you can verify your own claims for yourself.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by _Morphius_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fluid dynamics? Interesting statement you make that goes against nature.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What, that flow numbers have nothing to do with flow quality, meaning a high cfm != power gain? Welcome to head porting 101.
Just to use simple terms that don't grab the bull by the *****, "tumble flow" vs "swirl flow." Now you have google terms, enjoy.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by _Morphius_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">List his mods. Apples to oranges comparison. You compare a car running a HX35 at 12 psi to one running something twice as small at 12 psi. Not to mention compression ratios, etc. Think about it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
8.5:1 CR, and the cams were a high lift (almost 1/2") short duration unit (250 deg, forget if advertised or @ 0.050", but 20 degrees more duration than stock). Unported 91 "small port" head, I don't have flow figures on hand but 200 cfm peak at the usual 28" 1/2" lift. Manifold was NOT a merge collector unit. If you have a dyno of a 4G63T with HX35 at 12 psi, I guarantee it won't make 340 to the wheels (or equivalvent if corrected for 4WD dyno).
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by _Morphius_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Not from you. I'm not the first, and neither were you. Although it's apparent from your self proclaimed status, you think you did. </TD></TR></TABLE>
By "you guys" I meant Honda-Tech.
I think I heard first mention of it on jyturbo mailing list back in '99. I've been promoting them for around four-five years now.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by _Morphius_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fluid dynamics? Interesting statement you make that goes against nature.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What, that flow numbers have nothing to do with flow quality, meaning a high cfm != power gain? Welcome to head porting 101.
Just to use simple terms that don't grab the bull by the *****, "tumble flow" vs "swirl flow." Now you have google terms, enjoy.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by _Morphius_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">List his mods. Apples to oranges comparison. You compare a car running a HX35 at 12 psi to one running something twice as small at 12 psi. Not to mention compression ratios, etc. Think about it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
8.5:1 CR, and the cams were a high lift (almost 1/2") short duration unit (250 deg, forget if advertised or @ 0.050", but 20 degrees more duration than stock). Unported 91 "small port" head, I don't have flow figures on hand but 200 cfm peak at the usual 28" 1/2" lift. Manifold was NOT a merge collector unit. If you have a dyno of a 4G63T with HX35 at 12 psi, I guarantee it won't make 340 to the wheels (or equivalvent if corrected for 4WD dyno).
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by _Morphius_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Not from you. I'm not the first, and neither were you. Although it's apparent from your self proclaimed status, you think you did. </TD></TR></TABLE>
By "you guys" I meant Honda-Tech.
I think I heard first mention of it on jyturbo mailing list back in '99. I've been promoting them for around four-five years now.
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Greetings denizens of Honda tech, I am tigertron. I come from a forum far away in the Mitsubushi galaxy. I own a starion and I am going to go with a Holset but need help to make a decision. I heard ford 2.3 and you guys are using these with great success. so far it is looking like the hx35 is the way to go. my car is 2.6 turbo sohc. I dont want something that will get choked off because i want 400whp. I am also having a custom header built to help that sucka spool.I am also going multiport and have 4 750cc bosch injectors I only plan to run 26 psi on 112 octane. so which will help me do this the hx or the hy35.it will be a street/strip car and not total strip.
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To the starion guy.......the maps will tell you what you want to know as far as flow @ pr's and efficiencies. Displacement, max rpms and volumetric efficiency are values that will give you a basic understanding of which turbo will do you right. Maybe an hx35/hx40 hybrid, or just an hx35.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rorik »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how much can the stupid turbo I have support?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Look @ the comp map........
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rorik »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how much can the stupid turbo I have support?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Look @ the comp map........
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KeyserSoze »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Look @ the comp map........</TD></TR></TABLE>
That won't tell the whole story though, what about the exhaust side..
Supposedly the compressor on the hy35 is as efficient as the hx35, good for over 500whp. I don't know exactly what I have though! I don't know if it's the same as an hy35 or what.
That won't tell the whole story though, what about the exhaust side..
Supposedly the compressor on the hy35 is as efficient as the hx35, good for over 500whp. I don't know exactly what I have though! I don't know if it's the same as an hy35 or what.
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you have a straight hy35.... from what we can tell.
when you get it post up a pic of the ehuast side with some measurements of the wheel
when you get it post up a pic of the ehuast side with some measurements of the wheel
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sqad_7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does anybody think the Hx35 would be effcient on a H22?</TD></TR></TABLE>
So, when would it fully spool in this engine? 3k-3,5k? What numbers are to achieve with 9.3 compression at 10-14psi?
So, when would it fully spool in this engine? 3k-3,5k? What numbers are to achieve with 9.3 compression at 10-14psi?
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anyone know much about the h1c? possibly be able to spool a 16cm housing on an ls/vtec, not really worried about lag, but if its not gonna spool till like 6k id rather not buy it 
Modified by boostedej1 at 7:58 PM 1/9/2006
Modified by boostedej1 at 7:58 PM 1/9/2006
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Jaymez at Diesel Injection Service consulted with me once on a 2.0/VTEC build wanting HX35 or HX40 w/ T4 flange... smallest he could go was 19 cm^2 housing, and he said for good street spool... and my memory is getting fuzzy here... he said I either wanted 12-14 cm^2 or 12-16 cm^2.
I'd call and ask Jaymez, you can find Diesel Injection Service in Cincinatti by a google search or under dealers section of holset.com.
I'd call and ask Jaymez, you can find Diesel Injection Service in Cincinatti by a google search or under dealers section of holset.com.
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ummm... anyone see a holset off a marine application before? the turbine housing looks like it has a huge water jacket around it for sea water to circulate through... i just stumbled across one on ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostedej1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone know much about the h1c? possibly be able to spool a 16cm housing on an ls/vtec, not really worried about lag, but if its not gonna spool till like 6k id rather not buy it
Modified by boostedej1 at 7:58 PM 1/9/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>
id mostly have to say whats you exhuast setup...i have a 12cm housing...running between 10-15psi on the streets is plenty of goo juice for me...
w/ a 3" open dp...full boost is around 4200-4500
w/ a 2.25" stock exh...full boost is more like 5000
so obviously a bigger housing is gonna take the turbo a lil bit longer to spool up...but even at 5k w/ the stock exh...it rips...i dont mind the lag either...its traction control
Modified by boostedej1 at 7:58 PM 1/9/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>
id mostly have to say whats you exhuast setup...i have a 12cm housing...running between 10-15psi on the streets is plenty of goo juice for me...
w/ a 3" open dp...full boost is around 4200-4500
w/ a 2.25" stock exh...full boost is more like 5000
so obviously a bigger housing is gonna take the turbo a lil bit longer to spool up...but even at 5k w/ the stock exh...it rips...i dont mind the lag either...its traction control
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drumking15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">id mostly have to say whats you exhuast setup...i have a 12cm housing...running between 10-15psi on the streets is plenty of goo juice for me...
w/ a 3" open dp...full boost is around 4200-4500
w/ a 2.25" stock exh...full boost is more like 5000
so obviously a bigger housing is gonna take the turbo a lil bit longer to spool up...but even at 5k w/ the stock exh...it rips...i dont mind the lag either...its traction control </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'd love to see some pics of your car, get that thing dynoed. We have almost the same motor and i wanted to run the same turbo.
MY motor:
B16 HEad
ITR Cams
B18B Block
Eagle Rods
81.5mm CP 9:1 Pistons
You dont have a/c right
w/ a 3" open dp...full boost is around 4200-4500
w/ a 2.25" stock exh...full boost is more like 5000
so obviously a bigger housing is gonna take the turbo a lil bit longer to spool up...but even at 5k w/ the stock exh...it rips...i dont mind the lag either...its traction control
</TD></TR></TABLE>I'd love to see some pics of your car, get that thing dynoed. We have almost the same motor and i wanted to run the same turbo.
MY motor:
B16 HEad
ITR Cams
B18B Block
Eagle Rods
81.5mm CP 9:1 Pistons
You dont have a/c right
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drumking15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
id mostly have to say whats you exhuast setup...i have a 12cm housing...running between 10-15psi on the streets is plenty of goo juice for me...
w/ a 3" open dp...full boost is around 4200-4500
w/ a 2.25" stock exh...full boost is more like 5000
so obviously a bigger housing is gonna take the turbo a lil bit longer to spool up...but even at 5k w/ the stock exh...it rips...i dont mind the lag either...its traction control </TD></TR></TABLE>
i think it'll be okay then. i will probably be running a 3" open dp
, it will be my DD 
, haha probably not but i will drive it on occasion, im probably gonna buy this h1c
id mostly have to say whats you exhuast setup...i have a 12cm housing...running between 10-15psi on the streets is plenty of goo juice for me...
w/ a 3" open dp...full boost is around 4200-4500
w/ a 2.25" stock exh...full boost is more like 5000
so obviously a bigger housing is gonna take the turbo a lil bit longer to spool up...but even at 5k w/ the stock exh...it rips...i dont mind the lag either...its traction control
</TD></TR></TABLE>i think it'll be okay then. i will probably be running a 3" open dp
, it will be my DD , haha probably not but i will drive it on occasion, im probably gonna buy this h1c
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Re: (wantboost)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you have a straight hy35.... from what we can tell.
when you get it post up a pic of the ehuast side with some measurements of the wheel</TD></TR></TABLE>
After wasting like half an hour on the horrible holset website, I guess my turbo is an "he341", whatever the hell that is. That is what comes up under 'applications' as introduced for the 03 cummins. The he351 was introduced in 04.5, and it supposedly has the same package size as the he341. The holset site doesn't specifically list differences on their 'product range' bullshit, they list the whole "he300 range"...stupid..as having a flow of .46 kg/s, the same as the hx35. I didn't even try to find the specific compressor map.
They also don't list the hy series anymore, I guess they got replaced by the he?
when you get it post up a pic of the ehuast side with some measurements of the wheel</TD></TR></TABLE>
After wasting like half an hour on the horrible holset website, I guess my turbo is an "he341", whatever the hell that is. That is what comes up under 'applications' as introduced for the 03 cummins. The he351 was introduced in 04.5, and it supposedly has the same package size as the he341. The holset site doesn't specifically list differences on their 'product range' bullshit, they list the whole "he300 range"...stupid..as having a flow of .46 kg/s, the same as the hx35. I didn't even try to find the specific compressor map.
They also don't list the hy series anymore, I guess they got replaced by the he?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rorik »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
After wasting like half an hour on the horrible holset website, I guess my turbo is an "he341", whatever the hell that is. That is what comes up under 'applications' as introduced for the 03 cummins. The he351 was introduced in 04.5, and it supposedly has the same package size as the he341. The holset site doesn't specifically list differences on their 'product range' bullshit, they list the whole "he300 range"...stupid..as having a flow of .46 kg/s, the same as the hx35. I didn't even try to find the specific compressor map.
They also don't list the hy series anymore, I guess they got replaced by the he?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the hy35 is listed as the HExxx by holset. The comp wheel on the hy (he) and the hx are the same. Somewhere in this thread the fact that the he = hy is stated. Email holset and ask for the turbine map, then you can find out exactly how the turbo will run.
After wasting like half an hour on the horrible holset website, I guess my turbo is an "he341", whatever the hell that is. That is what comes up under 'applications' as introduced for the 03 cummins. The he351 was introduced in 04.5, and it supposedly has the same package size as the he341. The holset site doesn't specifically list differences on their 'product range' bullshit, they list the whole "he300 range"...stupid..as having a flow of .46 kg/s, the same as the hx35. I didn't even try to find the specific compressor map.
They also don't list the hy series anymore, I guess they got replaced by the he?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the hy35 is listed as the HExxx by holset. The comp wheel on the hy (he) and the hx are the same. Somewhere in this thread the fact that the he = hy is stated. Email holset and ask for the turbine map, then you can find out exactly how the turbo will run.
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You dont have a/c right</TD></TR></TABLE>
hahah i have the compressor on the drivers side....a/c heh i had to cut the mount literally in half to even fit the turbo in there w/ my ramhorn...
i have some pics but ive been uber busy w/ work and havent had time ot fix anything regarding my computers...and i just shatter my passenger window in my beater...so im so pissed...but if you give me you email...id be glad to send some pics to ya...btw its a sleeper and a/w intercooled
You dont have a/c right</TD></TR></TABLE>
hahah i have the compressor on the drivers side....a/c heh i had to cut the mount literally in half to even fit the turbo in there w/ my ramhorn...
i have some pics but ive been uber busy w/ work and havent had time ot fix anything regarding my computers...and i just shatter my passenger window in my beater...so im so pissed...but if you give me you email...id be glad to send some pics to ya...btw its a sleeper
and a/w intercooled
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drumking15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hahah i have the compressor on the drivers side....a/c heh i had to cut the mount literally in half to even fit the turbo in there w/ my ramhorn...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have the same mani (neukin) but the ac compatible one and I will still have to shave off some of the ac mount and my filter will be where the ac compressor would have been. To have the turbo the other way would NEVER work with the turbo/mani that I have. Big *** snail.
I have the same mani (neukin) but the ac compatible one and I will still have to shave off some of the ac mount and my filter will be where the ac compressor would have been. To have the turbo the other way would NEVER work with the turbo/mani that I have. Big *** snail.
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Re: (Si Shane)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Si Shane »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Since my ramhorn is not ac compatable I'm hoping to be able to keep my torque mount intact. I'm banking that the few inches between the t3 flange and the headflange will be enough. </TD></TR></TABLE>
ill bet you you'll def be cuttin it up...its literally about 1/2" away from my block...its the huge offset of the housing that screws everything up...and the ab-normally large housings dont help either....but its nice to make people scared w/ my huge turbo!
</TD></TR></TABLE>ill bet you you'll def be cuttin it up...its literally about 1/2" away from my block...its the huge offset of the housing that screws everything up...and the ab-normally large housings dont help either....but its nice to make people scared w/ my huge turbo!