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Re: (kNOwLedGe.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kNOwLedGe. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
HAHA. He either custom made the parts himself, or modified parts from other chassis that he got for dirt cheap when he lived in Japan. How do you know how much money he wasted?
http://www.tnd2gen.com
I guess he's the type of person that doesn't just want his car to perform "fine," he wants to be the fastest he can be. That's what racing is about, isn't it?
You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking.
That must've been why his car was competing with near 300whp K-Series DCs...
Oh, and chromoly isn't known to be that heavy for how strong it is...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok, and Hasport's KRX is an inferior chassis pile of poo right? Or how about the "Golden Egg" the car Any Pope used to win the NASA east vs west battle at mid ohio back in 2005? Musta been a fluke with that inferior chassis. There really is not much difference between any 88-00 civic chassis. Only differences are minor. Radius rods, and small crap like that. The geometry of the suspension is very similar. Most of the difference is in the wheelbase, just like Nick stated.
As for you ignorance of K powered road race cars, well off the top of my head. Andrie Hartanto's EK, Bernardo's DC2, Chad Slag's EK, I could go on and on, but it isn't that serious. I will say in support of all the K haters, Jason Franza put a K20a in his type R and hated the way the car handled. This was back in 06. I heard he dismantled the car. Haven't heard of anything since.
HAHA. He either custom made the parts himself, or modified parts from other chassis that he got for dirt cheap when he lived in Japan. How do you know how much money he wasted?
http://www.tnd2gen.com
I guess he's the type of person that doesn't just want his car to perform "fine," he wants to be the fastest he can be. That's what racing is about, isn't it?
You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking.
That must've been why his car was competing with near 300whp K-Series DCs...
Oh, and chromoly isn't known to be that heavy for how strong it is...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok, and Hasport's KRX is an inferior chassis pile of poo right? Or how about the "Golden Egg" the car Any Pope used to win the NASA east vs west battle at mid ohio back in 2005? Musta been a fluke with that inferior chassis. There really is not much difference between any 88-00 civic chassis. Only differences are minor. Radius rods, and small crap like that. The geometry of the suspension is very similar. Most of the difference is in the wheelbase, just like Nick stated.
As for you ignorance of K powered road race cars, well off the top of my head. Andrie Hartanto's EK, Bernardo's DC2, Chad Slag's EK, I could go on and on, but it isn't that serious. I will say in support of all the K haters, Jason Franza put a K20a in his type R and hated the way the car handled. This was back in 06. I heard he dismantled the car. Haven't heard of anything since.
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Re: (STREETWERKZ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STREETWERKZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as for B-series being cheaper, it should be. it's an old motor. the newest used B motor is 7 years old. and to make the kind of power that a k motor puts out stock, a B motor would need to be torn apart and rebuilt. then the price of the aftermarket internals would cost as much as a k motor. K-series heads STOCK outflow the best ported B series head any day of the week. etc. etc. etc. there are reasons why people are 'jumping on the bandwagon'. that bandwagon is a better platform.
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i jumped on the K-Series bandwagon because that wagon HAULS ***!
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i jumped on the K-Series bandwagon because that wagon HAULS ***!
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Musta been a fluke with that inferior chassis. There really is not much difference between any 88-00 civic chassis. Only differences are minor. Radius rods, and small crap like that. The geometry of the suspension is very similar. Most of the difference is in the wheelbase, just like Nick stated.
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i was gonna say.......
Musta been a fluke with that inferior chassis. There really is not much difference between any 88-00 civic chassis. Only differences are minor. Radius rods, and small crap like that. The geometry of the suspension is very similar. Most of the difference is in the wheelbase, just like Nick stated.
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i was gonna say.......
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Re: (nickrps)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nickrps »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I'm glad you can be so "knowledgeable" with all the personal experience you have.
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Ah. After good, ration discussion, you revert to ad-hominem to make a point. Classy. You don't know me or the personal experience I have.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nickrps »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
All of this boils down to the fact that you're saying an ED can't perform well on track with 225whp +. That's just a lame statement to make
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Where did I say that is can't perform well? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Just because I assert that the ED/DA chassis is inferior doesn't mean that I think it can't perform well. What I did say was that I didn't see a point in designing a ~250whp K-Series ED for the track when using an EH chassis would be leaps and bounds better.
Holding on to an inferior chassis (ED, DA) is no different than holding on to an inferior engine (B-Series). That was the point I was trying to make. Would you agree or disagree?
This whole discussion started because someone was opining about the inferiority of an old engine (the B-Series), but sees no hypocrisy in defending an old chassis.
I also think that 25whp is a significant amount of power, and I was talking about a 250whp ED and how it might perform.
I'm glad you can be so "knowledgeable" with all the personal experience you have.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Ah. After good, ration discussion, you revert to ad-hominem to make a point. Classy. You don't know me or the personal experience I have.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nickrps »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
All of this boils down to the fact that you're saying an ED can't perform well on track with 225whp +. That's just a lame statement to make
</TD></TR></TABLE>Where did I say that is can't perform well? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Just because I assert that the ED/DA chassis is inferior doesn't mean that I think it can't perform well. What I did say was that I didn't see a point in designing a ~250whp K-Series ED for the track when using an EH chassis would be leaps and bounds better.
Holding on to an inferior chassis (ED, DA) is no different than holding on to an inferior engine (B-Series). That was the point I was trying to make. Would you agree or disagree?
This whole discussion started because someone was opining about the inferiority of an old engine (the B-Series), but sees no hypocrisy in defending an old chassis.
I also think that 25whp is a significant amount of power, and I was talking about a 250whp ED and how it might perform.
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Re: (EFection)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EFection »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honda and saturn have a parts sharing deal.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually "Saturn makes crappy engines, so they just use Honda's"
Stop arguing about b-series vs. k-series. We all know the differences, and everybody is entitled to do what they want with their car. Everybody has a different goal with their car.
Actually "Saturn makes crappy engines, so they just use Honda's"
Stop arguing about b-series vs. k-series. We all know the differences, and everybody is entitled to do what they want with their car. Everybody has a different goal with their car.
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Re: (kNOwLedGe.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kNOwLedGe. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Holding on to an inferior chassis (ED, DA) is no different than holding on to an inferior engine (B-Series). That was the point I was trying to make. Would you agree or disagree?</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, CRXes are better than everything else ever made. What it lacks in wheelbase it makes up for with sheer beauty.
Holding on to an inferior chassis (ED, DA) is no different than holding on to an inferior engine (B-Series). That was the point I was trying to make. Would you agree or disagree?</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, CRXes are better than everything else ever made. What it lacks in wheelbase it makes up for with sheer beauty.
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Re: (CRXBart)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRXBart »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There really is not much difference between any 88-00 civic chassis. Only differences are minor. Radius rods, and small crap like that. The geometry of the suspension is very similar. Most of the difference is in the wheelbase, just like Nick stated.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No. C'mon now...
Straight from my friend's (with the DA) website. He worked for Honda in Japan and had a close relationship with many prominent Japanese tuners. Here:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tnd2gen »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Because of structural weakness common to the DA (and EF/ED) chassis, it is the one place of importance in overall vehicle improvement. The amount of high-tension steel used in the DA (and ED/EF) chassis is 25% less than in that of its predecessor, the DC, which also consists of 4-plate welds (not incorporated on the DA) resulting in a 125% stiffer chassis. The DC chassis also features increased stiffeners and spot welds, and an overall higher load capacity due in part to its
superior monocoque design.
My intentions in rebuilding the DA was to pin point the weaknesses of the DA chassis through track testing and trial and error, and increase the overall load capacity to better absorb power, and not distribute it. While this is a fairly simple task to achieve by simply bulking
and reinforcing certain key panels, cross-member and stiffener, it becomes more challenging when weight and cost are considered. And so stiffening of the chassis was realized with a very simple cost affective approach (basically, I fabricated everything).
The DA was not acknowledged into the success circle of the Japanese Motorsports industry, nor was it popular to the general public, and therefore didn't received the same aftermarket attention to performance upgrades as the EG or DC respectively. I had therefore resourced parts from many models and modified them for testing purposes. Finally I ended up fabricating most of the chassis stiffening members myself or modifying those from other chassis's, which was more rewarding and cost effective.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No. C'mon now...
Straight from my friend's (with the DA) website. He worked for Honda in Japan and had a close relationship with many prominent Japanese tuners. Here:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tnd2gen »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Because of structural weakness common to the DA (and EF/ED) chassis, it is the one place of importance in overall vehicle improvement. The amount of high-tension steel used in the DA (and ED/EF) chassis is 25% less than in that of its predecessor, the DC, which also consists of 4-plate welds (not incorporated on the DA) resulting in a 125% stiffer chassis. The DC chassis also features increased stiffeners and spot welds, and an overall higher load capacity due in part to its
superior monocoque design.
My intentions in rebuilding the DA was to pin point the weaknesses of the DA chassis through track testing and trial and error, and increase the overall load capacity to better absorb power, and not distribute it. While this is a fairly simple task to achieve by simply bulking
and reinforcing certain key panels, cross-member and stiffener, it becomes more challenging when weight and cost are considered. And so stiffening of the chassis was realized with a very simple cost affective approach (basically, I fabricated everything).
The DA was not acknowledged into the success circle of the Japanese Motorsports industry, nor was it popular to the general public, and therefore didn't received the same aftermarket attention to performance upgrades as the EG or DC respectively. I had therefore resourced parts from many models and modified them for testing purposes. Finally I ended up fabricating most of the chassis stiffening members myself or modifying those from other chassis's, which was more rewarding and cost effective.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: (CBEengineering)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CBEengineering »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why would a EH chassis be better??</TD></TR></TABLE>
It is over 100% more rigid.
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No, CRXes are better than everything else ever made. What it lacks in wheelbase it makes up for with sheer beauty. </TD></TR></TABLE>
HAHA
You guys think I hate a chassis because it's inferior. I think the EF and DA are two of the sexiest cars that Honda ever made
It is over 100% more rigid.
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No, CRXes are better than everything else ever made. What it lacks in wheelbase it makes up for with sheer beauty. </TD></TR></TABLE>
HAHA
You guys think I hate a chassis because it's inferior. I think the EF and DA are two of the sexiest cars that Honda ever made
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Re: (kNOwLedGe.)
a K-Series makiing "220whp w/ bolt-ons" (says STREEWERKS) in a ED/DA chassis, would be better to me then a B-Series with bolt-ons in a ED/DA chassis in any environment. including road racing.
I dont have enough experience to say anything about more horsepower then that. but whats wrong with having the same power as tnd2gen has but with an internally stock engine, and better gearing?
I dont have enough experience to say anything about more horsepower then that. but whats wrong with having the same power as tnd2gen has but with an internally stock engine, and better gearing?
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Re: (kNOwLedGe.)
but why does that make the chassis superior....sometimes stiffness=loss of traction and thats not always superior. what makes a car fast is the power, reliability and the suspension set up...not how stiff it is. K engines make strung out B power reliably. thats why people tend to use them and combined with the lighter (but I guess floppier) chassis of the ef/ed makes for a pretty fast race car
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by g2_teg_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whats wrong with having the same power as tnd2gen has but with an internally stock engine, and better gearing?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not a damn thing.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CBEengineering »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but why does that make the chassis superior....sometimes stiffness=loss of traction and thats not always superior. what makes a car fast is the power, reliability and the suspension set up...not how stiff it is.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I can't say that I agree with you there.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CBEengineering »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">K engines make strung out B power reliably. thats why people tend to use them and combined with the lighter (but I guess floppier) chassis of the ef/ed makes for a pretty fast race car</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree. You can have fully built B-Series power with the reliability of a sock engine. NOBODY WAS DEBATING THE POTENCY OF THE K-SERIES ENGINE!!!!!!!!!!!
Not a damn thing.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CBEengineering »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but why does that make the chassis superior....sometimes stiffness=loss of traction and thats not always superior. what makes a car fast is the power, reliability and the suspension set up...not how stiff it is.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I can't say that I agree with you there.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CBEengineering »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">K engines make strung out B power reliably. thats why people tend to use them and combined with the lighter (but I guess floppier) chassis of the ef/ed makes for a pretty fast race car</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree. You can have fully built B-Series power with the reliability of a sock engine. NOBODY WAS DEBATING THE POTENCY OF THE K-SERIES ENGINE!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: (g2_teg_)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by g2_teg_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a K-Series makiing "220whp w/ bolt-ons" (says STREEWERKS) in a ED/DA chassis, would be better to me then a B-Series with bolt-ons in a ED/DA chassis in any environment. including road racing.
I dont have enough experience to say anything about more horsepower then that. but whats wrong with having the same power as tnd2gen has but with an internally stock engine, and better gearing?</TD></TR></TABLE>
In road racing K series are exponentially better. The VTC system makes for a better midrange throughout the power band. In drag racing it is not as big of a deal, but anywhere where partial throttle is used it makes for more power.
I dont have enough experience to say anything about more horsepower then that. but whats wrong with having the same power as tnd2gen has but with an internally stock engine, and better gearing?</TD></TR></TABLE>
In road racing K series are exponentially better. The VTC system makes for a better midrange throughout the power band. In drag racing it is not as big of a deal, but anywhere where partial throttle is used it makes for more power.
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Re: (kNOwLedGe.)
i just want to know what chassis rigidity has to do with anything. I have several connectors that I made myself to "overcome" flex. they function the same way a storebought piece does. and when I take them off (besides the fender braces welded in) i dont notice that much of a difference. it surely doesnt make me hesitate to drive the car any harder than i do with them on.
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Re: (kNOwLedGe.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kNOwLedGe. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Ah. After good, ration discussion, you revert to ad-hominem to make a point. Classy. You don't know me or the personal experience I have.
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Oh knock it off. We could have "Vernacular Battle '08," but I'm too tired from drafting intelligently worded e-mails all day at work. You're right, I don't know you, nor do I know your personal experience (see my ad hominem argumentative statement at the end).
However, you were insinuating that the ED/DA chassis would not handle well without a metric-sh*t-ton of added structural rigidity.
I understand your argument, but I don't agree with the way it was worded.
If I built a fwd track car with a K20 it would be a coupe of some sorts (i.e. DC2 or '96-00 civic) and not just because the car is more "modern," but because of it's longer wheel-base.
Ah. After good, ration discussion, you revert to ad-hominem to make a point. Classy. You don't know me or the personal experience I have.
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Oh knock it off. We could have "Vernacular Battle '08," but I'm too tired from drafting intelligently worded e-mails all day at work. You're right, I don't know you, nor do I know your personal experience (see my ad hominem argumentative statement at the end).
However, you were insinuating that the ED/DA chassis would not handle well without a metric-sh*t-ton of added structural rigidity.
I understand your argument, but I don't agree with the way it was worded.
If I built a fwd track car with a K20 it would be a coupe of some sorts (i.e. DC2 or '96-00 civic) and not just because the car is more "modern," but because of it's longer wheel-base.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by -NA-aLL-thE-wAy- »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was confused for a minute. I clicked on the EF Discussion Thread and saw EF discussion. Weird.</TD></TR></TABLE>
HAH, im taking notes .
HAH, im taking notes
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Re: (kNOwLedGe.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kNOwLedGe. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I can't say that I agree with you there.
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do you road race....have you ever hit braking bumps in a car with poly mounts, bushings, maybe stitch welded, gnarky coilovers ? dosent absorb energy very good does it. this can equate to loss of traction so the stiffest isnt always the best
i think thats what i was getting at......i always have trouble at turning my thoughts into words....in real life id have hit everyone in here with a chair by now
I can't say that I agree with you there.
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do you road race....have you ever hit braking bumps in a car with poly mounts, bushings, maybe stitch welded, gnarky coilovers ? dosent absorb energy very good does it. this can equate to loss of traction so the stiffest isnt always the best
i think thats what i was getting at......i always have trouble at turning my thoughts into words....in real life id have hit everyone in here with a chair by now
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Re: (nickrps)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nickrps »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If I built a fwd track car with a K20 it would be a coupe of some sorts (i.e. DC2 or '96-00 civic) and not just because the car is more "modern," but because of it's longer wheel-base. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Plus you have room to put a fat GT wing on the back of it
If I built a fwd track car with a K20 it would be a coupe of some sorts (i.e. DC2 or '96-00 civic) and not just because the car is more "modern," but because of it's longer wheel-base. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Plus you have room to put a fat GT wing on the back of it
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Re: (kNOwLedGe.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kNOwLedGe. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Plus you have room to put a fat GT wing on the back of it </TD></TR></TABLE>
Which is my current #1 dilema with my CRX. I'm waiting for Brian @ Hasport to build their new wing for their TA CRX so I can buy the current wing stays he uses.
Plus you have room to put a fat GT wing on the back of it
</TD></TR></TABLE>Which is my current #1 dilema with my CRX. I'm waiting for Brian @ Hasport to build their new wing for their TA CRX so I can buy the current wing stays he uses.
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No, CRXes are better than everything else ever made. What it lacks in wheelbase it makes up for with sheer beauty. </TD></TR></TABLE>
QFT
ITs funny when someone insults the k swap to see people get all pee-pee hurt.
No, CRXes are better than everything else ever made. What it lacks in wheelbase it makes up for with sheer beauty. </TD></TR></TABLE>
QFT
ITs funny when someone insults the k swap to see people get all pee-pee hurt.
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Re: (Boosted Chemist)
thats what old chadwick used to say....oh wait i found it
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there is no 'IMPORT' there isnt even a 'honda'. there is only the <FONT COLOR="red">crx</FONT> and everything else can die in a fire </TD></TR></TABLE>
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there is no 'IMPORT' there isnt even a 'honda'. there is only the <FONT COLOR="red">crx</FONT> and everything else can die in a fire
</TD></TR></TABLE>originally posted 11:33 PM 1/16/2007
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Re: (Boosted Chemist)
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QFT
ITs funny when someone insults the k swap to see people get all pee-pee hurt. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I am not pee pee hurt. It took me untill Ryan did his for me to see the light. I was a K hater. I just looked back at Ryan's build thread, and saw some of my posts. I can't beleive he let me stay at his house as big of a dick as I was. I have seen the light, and many will after me. I no longer refer to iVTEC as ignorant VTEC.
In short K20A is the ultimate motor. CRX is the ultimate chassis. Anyone who argues this is a fool.
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ITs funny when someone insults the k swap to see people get all pee-pee hurt.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I am not pee pee hurt. It took me untill Ryan did his for me to see the light. I was a K hater. I just looked back at Ryan's build thread, and saw some of my posts. I can't beleive he let me stay at his house as big of a dick as I was. I have seen the light, and many will after me. I no longer refer to iVTEC as ignorant VTEC.
In short K20A is the ultimate motor. CRX is the ultimate chassis. Anyone who argues this is a fool.
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Re: (Boosted Chemist)
Originally Posted by Boosted Chemist
Hate Hate Hate. I never said i hate the k20 man, go smoke that morning bowl
I wasn't implying that you were hating. Just that other fellow with knowledge or whatever as his name.
Originally Posted by nickrps
I didn't even mention a K in my original statement because most of my good car buddies have them in their CRX's! Anyone who bashes a K is just being lame and jealous. I see the difference everytime Ryan and I cruise somewhere or back when Chris was living out here with us.
Originally Posted by CRXBart
I had full intentions of building a 250whp B. Reliability, and simplicity prevailed, and K it was....
same here..... a built 300whp B series or a relatively stock 250whp K series. The choice was simple for me. RELIABILITY.
Originally Posted by Bury Your Dead
K hate? there is no hate, just stating the reasons for my decision, as was everyone else.
you guys just love to feel as if people are "hating on you". gives a sense of underdog-ness or something, im not sure. no one is hating on anyone. i even invited jimmy day to come to the track this summer.
you guys just love to feel as if people are "hating on you". gives a sense of underdog-ness or something, im not sure. no one is hating on anyone. i even invited jimmy day to come to the track this summer.
Everything you have typed since you have came back to this website has been condescending. We all know your invite wasn't genuine.
Originally Posted by K20EF8
Obviously youve never been in a K-powered ED then or seen one. Ground clearance is superior because there is no header running low with the motor "reversed". I put 10000 miles on my car, drove from California to Toronto and never had an issue. There is no issue. My buddy has a GSR in a CRX and his header got ruined on its first drive. I would bet a K-series ED would be faster, theres a reason Honda Challenge has a big weight penalty for K-cars. The K makes more power, has an extra gear and is smoother. One could even argue weight distribution is better with the motor sitting on the opposite side of the car as the driver.
This man speaks the truth.
Originally Posted by Rywire
I have plenty of ground clearance 
Kickin' that [/i]knowledge.[/i]
Originally Posted by kNOwLedGe.
To tell you the truth, I haven't seen any K-Series EDs that road race
My friend Patrick's DA makes 227whp, and for the DA to perform well with that much power on tracks like Laguna Seca, he did extensive chassis modifications like custom chromoly front bar between bumper mounts on the radiator support, custom firewall A-brace, modified EK fender braces, riveted the chassis, weld in cage, boxed rear subframe, etc. I can only imagine what would have to be done to the chassis to make a 250whp ED or DA be able to come anywhere near competing with a STOCK CHASSIS EG/DC/EK with a K-swap.
That's why I'm saying it's pointless. You talk of superior engines and people that doubt them as "haters" clinging to an inferior engine, but you're advocating putting the superior engine in an inferior chassis and seem to be reluctant to give the same criticism. Don't get me wrong, I love my inferior chassis to death, but I'm not going to claim that putting a superior engine in an inferior chassis is smart from a road racing standpoint. From a drag/street racing standpoint, it's a force to be reckoned with
I guess it's not completely pointless; you can stunt on the dyno, internet forum, and drag strip.
Originally Posted by nickrps
Okay, I'm going to have to pick apart your statement because I'm in "that mood." Check my avatar.
your ED looks like it performs terribly at laguna seca.
Originally Posted by g2_teg_
i jumped on the K-Series bandwagon because that wagon HAULS ***!
exactly.
and when i learn how to drive it again..... it'll be hauling *** at both the drag strip and the road courses.
Originally Posted by kNOwLedGe.
Where did I say that is can't perform well? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Just because I assert that the ED/DA chassis is inferior doesn't mean that I think it can't perform well. What I did say was that I didn't see a point in designing a ~250whp K-Series ED for the track when using an EH chassis would be leaps and bounds better.
This whole discussion started because someone was opining about the inferiority of an old engine (the B-Series), but sees no hypocrisy in defending an old chassis.
I don't remember saying that my car was purpose built for your imaginary road course. my car was built for me. if i wanted an all out race-car. i'd have one.
Originally Posted by kNOwLedGe.
I agree. You can have fully built B-Series power with the reliability of a sock engine. NOBODY WAS DEBATING THE POTENCY OF THE K-SERIES ENGINE!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by CBEengineering
thats what old chadwick used to say....oh wait i found it
quote=xDicktonesx »
there is no 'IMPORT' there isnt even a 'honda'. there is only the <FONT COLOR="red">crx</FONT> and everything else can die in a fire
originally posted 11:33 PM 1/16/2007
quote=xDicktonesx »
there is no 'IMPORT' there isnt even a 'honda'. there is only the <FONT COLOR="red">crx</FONT> and everything else can die in a fire
originally posted 11:33 PM 1/16/2007
Originally Posted by Boosted Chemist
He meant to say EK.
Modified by STREETWERKZ at 3:57 PM 1/8/2008