All Da's have power steering, if anyone ever bought an integra and it didn't have one it was removed

 

waint on Colin or kNOwLedGe to school me.....just kidding guys . But I would really like to know this

 

I've owned 8 90-93 integras lol, i know a thing or two about them

 

the manual rack from the ef chassis works for our cars

 

cool i'll prob switch to that eventually. right now i just have mine looped with a reservoir but its leaking somewhere. i'd rather just have a manual rack and be done with it

 

all da's have ps that's well known fact, crx manual racks fit right?

 

EF chassis manual rack will work? Sorry hb420 i didnt see your comment before I posted mine man.....I was not aware of this. Maybe someone did swaped out the rack. IDK ???

 

yeah ef chassis racks will work. I'm not sure if theres anything you have to switch out, but i'm assuming you'll have to swap tie rod ends but that would be the extent. I'm picking one up soon and i'll let you know how it goes.

 

Ef rack works but i don't think it is plug n play, g2ic would be the best place to find out the answer on what has to be done to install it properly.

 

Check some of these threads out

http://forums.g2ic.com/search.php?searchid=848

 

that link wasnt any good? it said no matches found?

 

But I am looking around on there....

 

www.g2ic.com

Go there and use the search function

This ropic has been covered multiple times

 

That's weird... it still works when i click on it

 

I just found it.....the reason I asked is because I am taking away the power steering. I dont want to loop the rack due to the fact that the VSS uses powersteering fluid to lubercate itself. I also dont want to loop the hose on the VSS because I want a reliable reading from my speedo while I am on the track this year. I am starting the conversion soon and I will take pics as i go along. Thanks for the help and info guys.

 

i've ran my vss looped for quite some time now with no problems to date

 

Hey so did anyone pick up those new JSpeeds that came out again?

 

Nope, my car needs to run lol

 

Herb is 100% correct, all 90-93 Integras came w/ powersteering. If you find one w/o it, someone removed it.

I daily drove my old DA w/ the VSS looped for over 5yrs w/o any problems. I have the same setup on my car now and while it doesn't see more than 2-3k miles per year it will see the track as often as time and money afford. I'm not worried about it failing, I've actually never heard of or seen one fail before.

 

I may be completely wrong in this, but I remember reading this awhile ago.

Our integras come with a speed sensitive steering. To sum it up it makes it so that sudden movements of the steering wheel at higher speeds do less. I believe they said this was for higher speed feel, handling, and stability. Again this is what I can remember reading a long time ago already. I may have some of this wrong.

From looking at our systems I believe that the P/S fluid ran through the VSS is there as a metering valve only. As the VSS spins faster it would limit P/S fluid flow in the rack? This is my own assumption of how this would work without actually looking at it in depth. I guess you could say my "theory". This would make the most sense to me as the VSS does not need to be lubed as it is already in the transmission fluid. It drives the main shaft to a direct connection to the speedo cable with no "internal gears" other then a possible inertia driven valve for the P/S fluid which already has the P/S fluid.

Ok thats my long winded THEORY on it. Anyone confirm my theory? Anyone taken it apart or know how the actual system works?

Hell I could be crazy and way off in left field. It is winter time and my brain is deprived. I say lets discuss my wacky theory. I'll try and find actual info on this, lol.

EDIT:

Ok infact I was correct. Our cars did come with a speed sensitive steering. Got this off Acuraworld.com which was copied right from a sales brochure.

Steering: Speed-sensitive, variable power-assisted, rack-and-pinion
Steering Wheel Lock to Lock: 3.53
Turning Circle: 3-Door: 33.3 ft (10.1 m); 4-Door: 33.8 ft (10.3 m)

EDIT 2:

taken from here http://www.clubintegra.com/board/showthread.php?t=36824

"Anyway let explain to you. In Integra 1990 the speed sensor is also a small Power steering pump. This pump is also know as variable assistant power steering and its located in transmission. This kind of assembly was used by Honda in models late 80' and begining 90' in Accord, Civic and Integra. Also Legend 2G used them. For Legend model there are available a repair kit for power steering speed sensor, but so difficult to find for integra."

"On the 3rd gens it's just an actual pressure sensor on the pressurized line about 1 or 2 feet before the line goes into the rack. On the 2nd gens like what he's talking about it's actually a whole assembly. I did a quick search online and didn't find anything. P/S pump rebuild kits galore but no speed sensor kits."

**** I guess my theory was right. Well I just learned something. The VSS is actually a small pump at the top where the P/S fluid runs through and is what controls the speed sensitive steering. So infact if you remove P/S, there is NO need to run the lines and simply looping them is perfectly fine

Hope this helped others as it sure helped me.

 

as she sits today.....

 

[QUOTE=kNOwLedGe.;
It's really not that bad in person. Not my steez, but not ridiculous either. Oh, and they're period correct wheels
Not my car.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the pic kyle. Anymore pics from that day? You can email/pm them to me if you want.

The camber isn't too bad in person. Here's another pic that Kyle took from a different angle.


My vss has been looped on my last two da's and have had no problems.

 

Is that bronze tint?

 

While that may be the purpose of the VSS that doesn't mean that it doesn't use the PS fluid as lubrication for the moving parts inside... I don't really know for sure, and like I said I don't have any qualms about looping the VSS, but I don't see anything posted above that proves to me that the VSS doesn't need lubrication and/or that it doesn't use the PS fluid to do so.

As a precaution I make sure there's some fluid in the VSS before looping it.

 

Oh it most certainly does use the P/S fluid to lubricate the pump which is driven off the mainshaft. I guess if needed I could have gone further into that.... The point of me posting that was to figure out if my "theory" on how the system works was correct or not. My theory on how it works was pretty close but it did prove I was incorrect on how the VSS pump worked. I was thinking an inertia valve when infact it's gear driven. I figure all involved in this debate could benifit from understanding how the system actually works. I think that's step 1 in making an educated decision on what's a proper way to modify it. I would agree the correct way to do it is have some fluid in the pump before looping the line. This would prevent the possibility of the pumps gears seezing. The chances of that occurring are unknown. I've ran my YS1 cable with no fluid in the VSS pump and open lines to the elements (rain, snow, hot summer days) for going on 7 years. No issues at all. On the other hand I've looped mine on my DA for around 4 years. Logic would say some form of lube is better then none.