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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 08:31 AM
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If you don't pay attention to the words the numbers are the same.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 10:33 AM
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I dont understand whats going on anymore, the whole ****** thing confuses me befuddles me. I did the valve lash adjustment AGAIN this morning. .007 on the exhaust and .005 on the intake because the cams still tap tap tap away at .008 and .006 per crowers recommendations. Start the car up, it blows smoke, again. Smoke goes away after 2 seconds, motor is now quiet as could be, so I think to myself, mission accomplished. Get in the car with the laptop, car is running ****** rich again, and not pulling as much vac. So i take it for a drive, come back, car leans out some eventually, pop the hood with it running....tick tick tick tick tick of the rockers again. It's got oil leaks that I dont even begin to know where they are coming from, replaced the cam seal yet again, brand new valve cover gasket, and it seems to be leaking in the timing case. My cam gears are wet with oil, timing belt is DRY. Compression test yielded 200psi across the board, on a 11:1 compression motor. I dont even know what to say to that.


I think it is time to abandon this project all together, its failure after failure after failure.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 10:38 AM
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Did you change your cam seals that are behind the cam gears sir?
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 10:39 AM
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Did you change your cam seals that are behind the cam gears sir?
Yes.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 10:45 AM
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Don't give up please. You've got soooo far with this now it would be such a shame just to flush the lot down the toilet. Have you pulled the manifolds off and checked the ports/valves for oil residue?

Also, you haven't gone a bit to far with the porting in areas have you?
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 10:48 AM
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Oh okay because mine was leaking from there.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 10:50 AM
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I agree with Rich sir, please don't give up.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 10:52 AM
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Don't give up please. You've got soooo far with this now it would be such a shame just to flush the lot down the toilet. Have you pulled the manifolds off and checked the ports/valves for oil residue?

Also, you haven't gone a bit to far with the porting in areas have you?
I find it unlikely that the porting has anything to do with this, i checked all the ports for any potential cracks from the new guides being installed, and for the most part this whole situation seems to be nothing but phantom problems. The spark plugs after doing the compression test were virtually flawless in how clean they were , other then showing some light signs of being slightly on the rich side from the tune not being exactly where i want it. I havent had a chance to pull any of the manifolds yet because of just the weather not wanting to cooperate, its still winter and we are on schedule for 4-8 more inches of snow tomorrow here, which will likely put a damper on any more diagnosing for the next week.

In about an hour im headed off to the track to finally put the hurt on this thing and see what its capable of, if it survives this, then I don't know what else to say about these problems.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 10:53 AM
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 12:21 PM
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I find it unlikely that the porting has anything to do with this, i checked all the ports for any potential cracks from the new guides being installed, and for the most part this whole situation seems to be nothing but phantom problems. The spark plugs after doing the compression test were virtually flawless in how clean they were , other then showing some light signs of being slightly on the rich side from the tune not being exactly where i want it. I havent had a chance to pull any of the manifolds yet because of just the weather not wanting to cooperate, its still winter and we are on schedule for 4-8 more inches of snow tomorrow here, which will likely put a damper on any more diagnosing for the next week.

In about an hour im headed off to the track to finally put the hurt on this thing and see what its capable of, if it survives this, then I don't know what else to say about these problems.
Have you got another car to get around in? If so, just take a break from it for a couple of months or something . You'll get there... sometimes you just need to be patient and stick with it.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 12:43 PM
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I'm sure if you get a decent catch can setup you will see no more oil leaks
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 03:21 PM
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Im thoroughly convinced now that we actually went backwards on the gears rather then the correct way. I think the clockwise rotation degree wheel we had for small block's was throwing us off, even though i specifically tried to compensate for the fact that this is a reverse rotation motor.
Even if you didn't pay attention to the writing, but are easily (obviously) confused, you could write everything backwards with a permanent marker to remove all doubt. Have you hooked up a mechanical vacuum gauge while the engine is running at operating temperature? What does it do at idle? How about when you blip the throttle? How about a quick WOT open and then close of the throttle plate? Exact description is very important.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 05:26 PM
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Have you got another car to get around in? If so, just take a break from it for a couple of months or something . You'll get there... sometimes you just need to be patient and stick with it.
No but i likely will be in the market for one real soon. Results tonight were horrific, 15.5 @ 89 mph, i ran the entire night with a clean exhaust, smoke free, but the car just didnt feel right. So im sitting next to my friends in the car, and all of the sudden it just starts puffing out the exhaust, next thing you know, its blasting white smoke that smells like oil out the back. I rev it up a couple times, and it slowly goes away, and now its been fine for the rest of the night. I dont even know what to say to that.

Im goin through the vids and time slips now, should have some stuff posted soon.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 05:29 PM
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Even if you didn't pay attention to the writing, but are easily (obviously) confused, you could write everything backwards with a permanent marker to remove all doubt. Have you hooked up a mechanical vacuum gauge while the engine is running at operating temperature? What does it do at idle? How about when you blip the throttle? How about a quick WOT open and then close of the throttle plate? Exact description is very important.
I payed attention the writing, and the numbers, i wouldnt have moved the gears if i didnt think it was correct. Just confused by the behavior of the thing. It pulls low vac, like -16 to -15inhg at idle now, but doesnt idle like it has a large cam at all. Blipping the throttle it has shitty throttle response IMO but to others its fine. Only thing I can think of now is that the rings are binding, mainly the oil control rings, but it doesnt seem logical at all.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 06:50 PM
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vids from tonight, as you can see, theres no just low end at all. Kind of embarrassing that's why i have them unlisted. Currently debating on how to proceed at this point.

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wait arent you still N/A??
that smoke happening intermittently has me confused on what can cause that too..
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 07:48 PM
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wait arent you still N/A??
that smoke happening intermittently has me confused on what can cause that too..
Yes, still NA. The time isnt what bothers me, thats merely a lack of tune, car seems to be fighting me every step of the way. The smoking, thats what is driving me up a wall. Im starting to think its time to call my B18 up for active duty again, probably gonna have it sent out to cncwerx within the month.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 07:59 PM
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Compression test yielded 200psi across the board, on a 11:1 compression motor. I dont even know what to say to that.

Thats not right not even close.. my usdm gsr engine before it kicked a rod out of the block was 230-240 across the board.. 15.5 @ 89 for a auto non vtec NA integra isnt bad... what are you expecting??
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 08:04 PM
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Thats not right not even close.. my usdm gsr engine before it kicked a rod out of the block was 230-240 across the board.. 15.5 @ 89 for a auto non vtec NA integra isnt bad... what are you expecting??
i ran 14.6 before, this motor should have at least been close. supercharged i only put down 180whp, i have enough mods on this thing to put down 160-170whp.
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Old Mar 6, 2013 | 02:11 AM
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You should be able to pull my tune off the ectune forum, adjust for injectors and go... It will at least get you in the ballpark. My compression was less but most else was similar.

The smoke is vacuum pulling oil from the head, been there. If someone incorrectly "raised the roof" on the head it can cause small fractures when new guides are pressed in. It's fixable and not the end of the world.
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Old Mar 6, 2013 | 04:04 AM
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This is true, but when the guides are installed properly (heating the head) this will help reduce most chances of that happening even with extreme porting.

"Spawne32" - I don't think you understand, your engine woes can most likely be diagnosed with a vacuum gauge. If you don't want to try then so be it as it is a lost art form to most youngins' these days.
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Old Mar 6, 2013 | 07:12 AM
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Do you not think that vacuum would pull it more consistently, rather then randomly every couple of hours? lol
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Old Mar 6, 2013 | 07:17 AM
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You should be able to pull my tune off the ectune forum, adjust for injectors and go... It will at least get you in the ballpark. My compression was less but most else was similar.

The smoke is vacuum pulling oil from the head, been there. If someone incorrectly "raised the roof" on the head it can cause small fractures when new guides are pressed in. It's fixable and not the end of the world.
ill give it a whirl see what it does
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Do as you please, ignorance is bliss I guess.
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Old Mar 6, 2013 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by N3va3vaSatisfi3d
Do as you please, ignorance is bliss I guess.
What exactly do you want to know? It pulls between -15 to -18inhg of vac at idle. Depending on whether or not its under load or not.
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