Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition???
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (NrG)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NrG »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can some people explain to me why rally cars have to drift their tuns? They are going down hill on a mountain. Should they slow down and make a granny style turn? Or should they drift the turn at 80mph and still be going 80mph out of the turn?.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I can... Because they are on Ground that they cannot grip... Dirt most of the time... it's like Sprint car racing.... if you created 2 tracks the exact same size and same aspects and one was dirt and the other was Paved blacktop... which one would have faster track times?
Obviously the Paved track would be quicker... and for sure they wouldn't be drifting those corners...
I can... Because they are on Ground that they cannot grip... Dirt most of the time... it's like Sprint car racing.... if you created 2 tracks the exact same size and same aspects and one was dirt and the other was Paved blacktop... which one would have faster track times?
Obviously the Paved track would be quicker... and for sure they wouldn't be drifting those corners...
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (.RJ)
im probably going to get flamed for what im going to say, and i doubt im going to take the time to sit here and defend my post against everything you guys are going to flame me with, but so be it. im fully aware that grip driving is the fastest way through the corner but hear me out here. i always was obsessed with grip driving ever since i used to steal my dads gsx when i was 14 and drive down secluded roads like an idiot in the middle of the night. when i got my liscence, i took grip driving to even more of an extreme because i was actually legally able to drive so i didnt have to worry about getting fucked if i was caught. when i got my z, i had never owned or had really driven (besides test driving) a rear wheel drive car and the first corner i ever took with the car under my name i spun out. that eventually led to me learning how to do doughnuts and 180's and crap like that. eventually, i started to slide around corners and i really thought that i had invented this new trick to driving. i didnt see any purpose to it except that it was fun. a couple of months later i was searching for videos on kazaa or something and i encountered a drift video and i was like wTf 0Mg **** y0! i thought that i had made all that stuff up but people actually did it for real. i got interested in it and learned about it (what little i could learn) and i went out and practiced drifting more. that was about the time that everyone in my school was getting all gung-ho about drifting and such and everyone was like 240sx izz mAdd tYte y0!!
around that time a lot of my friends would go out at nights and find empty lots to **** around in. at that time the only car i had running was the maxima so i didnt really participate as much but i did get it to slide around a little. when everyone started getting serious about it i began to find myself not liking it anymore. it just didnt have any purpose to it and i didnt see myself ever making myself better of a driver than i already was. so i tried to figure out ways to incorporate some of the tactics of drifting into racing. regardless of what many of you say, drifting, at some points, is a faster technique to get through the corner. not the kind of drifting where you pop the clutch and let the rear kick out like superman or anything... the kind of drifting that you use the entire car to slide instead of just the back.
doing this totally conflicts with what most grip drivers know as fact - and what is fact - sliding to slow down is not as effective as braking. the purpose of this action though is not to slow down, its to change the apex of the corner and reposition your car at a better angle so you can start accelerating out of the corner earlier than if you used the proper technique. you would brake just as normal, just a little later so your entrance speed is a little higher than what would be taken for grip. since you are pushing the limits of the tires beyond what they can handle you are going to slide... but maintaining the slide is not the goal. the goal is to slide the car in the same direction as if you were gripping, but have the front of the car facing at a more inward angle so that you are able to accelerate and use more of the exit of the turn to get out faster. i dont know if i explained it good enough for you guys to understand but i tried to word it as best as i could. im not claiming that this is the best way to go around a corner, the only real place you could use this is a hairpin or maybe a complex hairpin. but the main thing is that ive done this many many times, and i do feel that it results in a faster exiting speed and ultimately faster cornering time. many of you would not agree, but im not some ricer that doesnt know anything, im just trying to present a conclusion that i drew myself from my ******* around all the time on the road.
in summary, i dont think this technique is really very real-world applicable - only in certain, rare-for-most situations. ive never seen a track that would require such technique so i dont really think many could apply this unless they like to drive on very tight twisty roads a lot. can you use it in a race? not to pass anyone or anything, but if you do ever find yourself in a situation where exit speed is crucial you may be able to benefit from it. otherwise, grip driving is really the best way to go around a corner. as for the person that said its for going down mountains, i would agree that many of the types of turns it could be effective on are tight corners that are downhill because thats all i really used it on. basically all you are doing is changing the line you take because you rotate the car on its center during the turn. effective or not, i feel that it can be useful in these rare occasions but for the most part drifting is just something people do for fun... or now-a-days something that is done for show and to make money
around that time a lot of my friends would go out at nights and find empty lots to **** around in. at that time the only car i had running was the maxima so i didnt really participate as much but i did get it to slide around a little. when everyone started getting serious about it i began to find myself not liking it anymore. it just didnt have any purpose to it and i didnt see myself ever making myself better of a driver than i already was. so i tried to figure out ways to incorporate some of the tactics of drifting into racing. regardless of what many of you say, drifting, at some points, is a faster technique to get through the corner. not the kind of drifting where you pop the clutch and let the rear kick out like superman or anything... the kind of drifting that you use the entire car to slide instead of just the back.
doing this totally conflicts with what most grip drivers know as fact - and what is fact - sliding to slow down is not as effective as braking. the purpose of this action though is not to slow down, its to change the apex of the corner and reposition your car at a better angle so you can start accelerating out of the corner earlier than if you used the proper technique. you would brake just as normal, just a little later so your entrance speed is a little higher than what would be taken for grip. since you are pushing the limits of the tires beyond what they can handle you are going to slide... but maintaining the slide is not the goal. the goal is to slide the car in the same direction as if you were gripping, but have the front of the car facing at a more inward angle so that you are able to accelerate and use more of the exit of the turn to get out faster. i dont know if i explained it good enough for you guys to understand but i tried to word it as best as i could. im not claiming that this is the best way to go around a corner, the only real place you could use this is a hairpin or maybe a complex hairpin. but the main thing is that ive done this many many times, and i do feel that it results in a faster exiting speed and ultimately faster cornering time. many of you would not agree, but im not some ricer that doesnt know anything, im just trying to present a conclusion that i drew myself from my ******* around all the time on the road.
in summary, i dont think this technique is really very real-world applicable - only in certain, rare-for-most situations. ive never seen a track that would require such technique so i dont really think many could apply this unless they like to drive on very tight twisty roads a lot. can you use it in a race? not to pass anyone or anything, but if you do ever find yourself in a situation where exit speed is crucial you may be able to benefit from it. otherwise, grip driving is really the best way to go around a corner. as for the person that said its for going down mountains, i would agree that many of the types of turns it could be effective on are tight corners that are downhill because thats all i really used it on. basically all you are doing is changing the line you take because you rotate the car on its center during the turn. effective or not, i feel that it can be useful in these rare occasions but for the most part drifting is just something people do for fun... or now-a-days something that is done for show and to make money
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (im sabah)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by im sabah »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">regardless of what many of you say, drifting, at some points, is a faster technique to get through the corner. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (im sabah)
^^^ Good thing i didn't take my time to explain it...lol, you did it for me st00ge!!!
LOL, yeah, even drifters will tell you that "drifting" is not the fastest technique in MOST situtations...
But as stated...a hairpin turn on a downhill in a CONTROLLED slide is going to be quicker than grip driving through it...period. Not having to use as much braking power through a corner is always going to be faster than having to use a little more braking power...that's just common sense...and this applies to both drift driving and grip driving being faster in certain situations. If you can grip drive through a corner and brake less than when you initiate a drift, it will be quicker. If you can initiate the drift with less braking power than grip driving, and change your lines throughout the corner, drift driving will be quicker.
More braking=slower = revs drop below a certain point in your powerband
Less braking= quicker = your engine stays at or above the point needed for continued acceleration after the drift
Now in an almost straight line curve, anything over 90 degrees, You are going to of course brake to initiate the drift where as in grip you would just gauge your entry points, little to no braking depending on your setup...and lots of acceleration...
But yeah, mostly drifting is just a smoke fest, MOSTLY but not entirely.
Edit: The st00ge reference was to im sabah...lol..not ,BJ
LOL, yeah, even drifters will tell you that "drifting" is not the fastest technique in MOST situtations...
But as stated...a hairpin turn on a downhill in a CONTROLLED slide is going to be quicker than grip driving through it...period. Not having to use as much braking power through a corner is always going to be faster than having to use a little more braking power...that's just common sense...and this applies to both drift driving and grip driving being faster in certain situations. If you can grip drive through a corner and brake less than when you initiate a drift, it will be quicker. If you can initiate the drift with less braking power than grip driving, and change your lines throughout the corner, drift driving will be quicker.
More braking=slower = revs drop below a certain point in your powerband
Less braking= quicker = your engine stays at or above the point needed for continued acceleration after the drift
Now in an almost straight line curve, anything over 90 degrees, You are going to of course brake to initiate the drift where as in grip you would just gauge your entry points, little to no braking depending on your setup...and lots of acceleration...
But yeah, mostly drifting is just a smoke fest, MOSTLY but not entirely.
Edit: The st00ge reference was to im sabah...lol..not ,BJ
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (4AGE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4AGE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
LOL, yeah, even drifters will tell you that "drifting" is not the fastest technique in MOST situtations...
But as stated...a hairpin turn on a downhill in a CONTROLLED slide is going to be quicker than grip driving through it...period.
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holy ****! Another one. READ THE THREAD. it is not faster.
Explanation : Do you think 'grip' drivers are not at the limit of the tires in contact with the road? Anything past the max grip the tires have to offer means either impact with another car or a quick exit off the track. I can assure you, the fastest way through a turn is carrying the most speed with the least amount of input without understeering/oversteering/drifting through it. PERIOD PERIOD
If you cant understand that, please do not reproduce.
LOL, yeah, even drifters will tell you that "drifting" is not the fastest technique in MOST situtations...
But as stated...a hairpin turn on a downhill in a CONTROLLED slide is going to be quicker than grip driving through it...period.
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holy ****! Another one. READ THE THREAD. it is not faster.
Explanation : Do you think 'grip' drivers are not at the limit of the tires in contact with the road? Anything past the max grip the tires have to offer means either impact with another car or a quick exit off the track. I can assure you, the fastest way through a turn is carrying the most speed with the least amount of input without understeering/oversteering/drifting through it. PERIOD PERIOD
If you cant understand that, please do not reproduce.
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (4AGE)
drifting is just for fun. who cares if people enjoy doing it or not? i personally think it's dumb, but who cares. let people do what they like. how boring would this world be if everyone was the same.
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (,BJ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ,BJ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
holy ****! Another one. READ THE THREAD. it is not faster.
Explanation : Do you think 'grip' drivers are not at the limit of the tires in contact with the road? Anything past the max grip the tires have to offer means either impact with another car or a quick exit off the track. I can assure you, the fastest way through a turn is carrying the most speed with the least amount of input without understeering/oversteering/drifting through it. PERIOD PERIOD
If you cant understand that, please do not reproduce.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If the tires are at their MAX GRIP on a HAIRPIN in a downhill it's already TOO late, then the car is carrying too much velocity for the corner and the simple fact is...your gone...do you not understand that?
And you said what i said...only...there are instances in which the fastest way through a turn is putting in the LEAST amount of input by being in a controlled DRIFT...I.E. the hairpin downhill that i referred to...or to a downhill S curve in which you keep your momentum built all the way from the top to the bottom while still being able to exit at the bottom of the S with the same acceleration power you had at the top....unless you have a car that can grip drive and that will NEVER SPIN...in this case...you are t3h ultimate.
(Note: the capitalized points are there for emphasis, not to start a pissing contest...)
holy ****! Another one. READ THE THREAD. it is not faster.
Explanation : Do you think 'grip' drivers are not at the limit of the tires in contact with the road? Anything past the max grip the tires have to offer means either impact with another car or a quick exit off the track. I can assure you, the fastest way through a turn is carrying the most speed with the least amount of input without understeering/oversteering/drifting through it. PERIOD PERIOD
If you cant understand that, please do not reproduce.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If the tires are at their MAX GRIP on a HAIRPIN in a downhill it's already TOO late, then the car is carrying too much velocity for the corner and the simple fact is...your gone...do you not understand that?
And you said what i said...only...there are instances in which the fastest way through a turn is putting in the LEAST amount of input by being in a controlled DRIFT...I.E. the hairpin downhill that i referred to...or to a downhill S curve in which you keep your momentum built all the way from the top to the bottom while still being able to exit at the bottom of the S with the same acceleration power you had at the top....unless you have a car that can grip drive and that will NEVER SPIN...in this case...you are t3h ultimate.
(Note: the capitalized points are there for emphasis, not to start a pissing contest...)
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (4AGE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4AGE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If the tires are at their MAX GRIP on a HAIRPIN in a downhill it's already TOO late, then the car is carrying too much velocity for the corner and the simple fact is...your gone...do you not understand that?
And you said what i said...only...there are instances in which the fastest way through a turn is putting in the LEAST amount of input by being in a controlled DRIFT...I.E. the hairpin downhill that i referred to...or to a downhill S curve in which you keep your momentum built all the way from the top to the bottom while still being able to exit at the bottom of the S with the same acceleration power you had at the top....unless you have a car that can grip drive and that will NEVER SPIN...in this case...you are t3h ultimate.
(Note: the capitalized points are there for emphasis, not to start a pissing contest...) </TD></TR></TABLE>
Max grip is the point where you are NOT GONE.. Anything faster and you will be. If you are drifting, you are not efficiently applying power to the ground, hence NOT THE FASTEST. Less turning, less sliding, less dorifto action is the fastest way. You CANNOT accelerate through a turn if your tires are too busy smoking/spinning.
If the tires are at their MAX GRIP on a HAIRPIN in a downhill it's already TOO late, then the car is carrying too much velocity for the corner and the simple fact is...your gone...do you not understand that?
And you said what i said...only...there are instances in which the fastest way through a turn is putting in the LEAST amount of input by being in a controlled DRIFT...I.E. the hairpin downhill that i referred to...or to a downhill S curve in which you keep your momentum built all the way from the top to the bottom while still being able to exit at the bottom of the S with the same acceleration power you had at the top....unless you have a car that can grip drive and that will NEVER SPIN...in this case...you are t3h ultimate.
(Note: the capitalized points are there for emphasis, not to start a pissing contest...)
</TD></TR></TABLE>Max grip is the point where you are NOT GONE.. Anything faster and you will be. If you are drifting, you are not efficiently applying power to the ground, hence NOT THE FASTEST. Less turning, less sliding, less dorifto action is the fastest way. You CANNOT accelerate through a turn if your tires are too busy smoking/spinning.
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (,BJ)
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Max grip is the point where you are NOT GONE.. Anything faster and you will be. If you are drifting, you are not efficiently applying power to the ground, hence NOT THE FASTEST. Less turning, less sliding, less dorifto action is the fastest way. You CANNOT accelerate through a turn if your tires are too busy smoking/spinning.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good for you
LoL...whatever man...sure...like i said, its not a pissing contest...I know from personal experience as i can see you only know from theory.
See you that one time you decide to grip drive through a hairpin downhill and try to achieve max grip...
peace
*goes back to kills, lol*
Max grip is the point where you are NOT GONE.. Anything faster and you will be. If you are drifting, you are not efficiently applying power to the ground, hence NOT THE FASTEST. Less turning, less sliding, less dorifto action is the fastest way. You CANNOT accelerate through a turn if your tires are too busy smoking/spinning.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good for you
LoL...whatever man...sure...like i said, its not a pissing contest...I know from personal experience as i can see you only know from theory.
See you that one time you decide to grip drive through a hairpin downhill and try to achieve max grip...
peace
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (4AGE)
Why is max grip so hard for you to understand. I have on track experience, and have ridden in several instructors cars. im sorry if that doesnt equal your parking lot experience.
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (4AGE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4AGE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But as stated...a hairpin turn on a downhill in a CONTROLLED slide is going to be quicker than grip driving through it...</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by im sabah »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im regardless of what many of you say, drifting, at some points, is a faster technique to get through the corner. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I am willing to bet $100 that neither of you have ever spent any significant amount of time on a real track with real cars at the limit.
You are both idiots, and you are both wrong.
RJ - who has 30 events of experience on real race tracks, and a bunch of autocross seat time
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by im sabah »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im regardless of what many of you say, drifting, at some points, is a faster technique to get through the corner. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I am willing to bet $100 that neither of you have ever spent any significant amount of time on a real track with real cars at the limit.
You are both idiots, and you are both wrong.
RJ - who has 30 events of experience on real race tracks, and a bunch of autocross seat time
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (.RJ)
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I am willing to bet $100 that neither of you have ever spent any significant amount of time on a real track with real cars at the limit.
You are both idiots, and you are both wrong.
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BUT RJ!!! I have mad mountain experience y0!!
I am willing to bet $100 that neither of you have ever spent any significant amount of time on a real track with real cars at the limit.
You are both idiots, and you are both wrong.
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BUT RJ!!! I have mad mountain experience y0!!
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (,BJ)
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Good, I hope you crash your car on the GMR or whatever the ricers call the pinnacle of cany0n drift p3rf0rmanC3 over on the left coast
Good, I hope you crash your car on the GMR or whatever the ricers call the pinnacle of cany0n drift p3rf0rmanC3 over on the left coast
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (4AGE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4AGE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And you said what i said...only...there are instances in which the fastest way through a turn is putting in the LEAST amount of input by being in a controlled DRIFT...I.E. the hairpin downhill that i referred to...or to a downhill S curve in which you keep your momentum built all the way from the top to the bottom while still being able to exit at the bottom of the S with the same acceleration power you had at the top....unless you have a car that can grip drive and that will NEVER SPIN...in this case...you are t3h ultimate.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Who told you that ****?
I just called Bob Bondurant and read it to him. He started laughing hysterically and hung up.
Whoever told you that SHOULD be taken out back and shot because that **** is what perpetuates these false ideas.
Show me lap times from the SAME car, with the SAME driver demonstrating BOTH techniques and I guarantee you that the lap times of the grip is faster. If it wasn't then why don't racers do it on tracks that have that sort of turn? Do you think you know some deep dark secret of speed that they don't? I guarantee you that they have forgotten more about performance driving than you will EVER know.
The downhill competition is probably like the "Home Run Derby" of the 60s where they would pit someone like Mickey Mantle against Joe Schmoe. Do you really think some no-name is gonna hit more home runs under ideal, equal circumstances than someone like Mickey Mantle? Nope.
In downhill competition I guarantee you it is designed to favor drifting. There is NO other reason to do it. It is another form of drift exhibition so they are going to stack it in favor of the drifters.
You are probably going to argue with me but that would be like saying that wrestling is real too . . .
Who told you that ****?
I just called Bob Bondurant and read it to him. He started laughing hysterically and hung up.
Whoever told you that SHOULD be taken out back and shot because that **** is what perpetuates these false ideas.
Show me lap times from the SAME car, with the SAME driver demonstrating BOTH techniques and I guarantee you that the lap times of the grip is faster. If it wasn't then why don't racers do it on tracks that have that sort of turn? Do you think you know some deep dark secret of speed that they don't? I guarantee you that they have forgotten more about performance driving than you will EVER know.
The downhill competition is probably like the "Home Run Derby" of the 60s where they would pit someone like Mickey Mantle against Joe Schmoe. Do you really think some no-name is gonna hit more home runs under ideal, equal circumstances than someone like Mickey Mantle? Nope.
In downhill competition I guarantee you it is designed to favor drifting. There is NO other reason to do it. It is another form of drift exhibition so they are going to stack it in favor of the drifters.
You are probably going to argue with me but that would be like saying that wrestling is real too . . .
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (DVSshoeco)
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I have seen "Grip" cars at Laguna Seca in the Corkscrew.... yes a downhill turn... and there is no way a car loosing the backend could get down that hill faster... Drifting Competitvely is a waste...
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Damn these guys must be slow because they aren’t drifting through this downhill turn.
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I have seen "Grip" cars at Laguna Seca in the Corkscrew.... yes a downhill turn... and there is no way a car loosing the backend could get down that hill faster... Drifting Competitvely is a waste...
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Damn these guys must be slow because they aren’t drifting through this downhill turn.
Drifting-the Figure Skating of Motorsports.
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (Evil Drew M)
LoL...whoever told you guys drifting was "loosing the backend" should be shot...a 4 wheel drift, where all 4 tires have actually lost traction through a corner is an actual drift...in this scenario a flick of the wrist at the Laguna Seca corkscrew would definitely benefit more than grip driving...
A car going 60 mph. into that corkscrew that initiated a drift...(the 4 wheel drift, where it has been proven there is no speed loss), would go through it quicker than a car slowing down from 60mph to maintain traction and avoiding understeer/oversteer, depending on what drivetrain the car is.
Also...in those pictures...85% of the cars are what? FWD? Of course fwd cars are quicker at grip driving...that's all they do...
And of course, i have no "real experience other than parking lots"...seeing as how i only grew up in the land of the rising sun. I've seen and experienced first hand riding shotgun, drifters in okinawa do things you people wouldn't dream of cars doing and still do it just as fast as anybody else...
PUlling 360's into drifts and maintaining the same speed as when you initiated the 360 is no joke.
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The downhill competition is probably like the "Home Run Derby" of the 60s where they would pit someone like Mickey Mantle against Joe Schmoe. Do you really think some no-name is gonna hit more home runs under ideal, equal circumstances than someone like Mickey Mantle? Nope.
In downhill competition I guarantee you it is designed to favor drifting. There is NO other reason to do it. It is another form of drift exhibition so they are going to stack it in favor of the drifters.
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You stated i agree...in downhill competition drifting is quicker...is that not what you just said?
I could say the same thing by saying that in a in 90 degree + turn grip drivers have the odds stacked...do you not understand this???
I give two ***** who the hell Bob is...
Have a nice day gentlemen...sorry to see you butthurt over somebody like me??? I guess that's all i have left to say.
EDIT: My bad...hype R owners are always right...
A car going 60 mph. into that corkscrew that initiated a drift...(the 4 wheel drift, where it has been proven there is no speed loss), would go through it quicker than a car slowing down from 60mph to maintain traction and avoiding understeer/oversteer, depending on what drivetrain the car is.
Also...in those pictures...85% of the cars are what? FWD? Of course fwd cars are quicker at grip driving...that's all they do...
And of course, i have no "real experience other than parking lots"...seeing as how i only grew up in the land of the rising sun. I've seen and experienced first hand riding shotgun, drifters in okinawa do things you people wouldn't dream of cars doing and still do it just as fast as anybody else...
PUlling 360's into drifts and maintaining the same speed as when you initiated the 360 is no joke.
st00pids...
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The downhill competition is probably like the "Home Run Derby" of the 60s where they would pit someone like Mickey Mantle against Joe Schmoe. Do you really think some no-name is gonna hit more home runs under ideal, equal circumstances than someone like Mickey Mantle? Nope.
In downhill competition I guarantee you it is designed to favor drifting. There is NO other reason to do it. It is another form of drift exhibition so they are going to stack it in favor of the drifters.
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You stated i agree...in downhill competition drifting is quicker...is that not what you just said?
I could say the same thing by saying that in a in 90 degree + turn grip drivers have the odds stacked...do you not understand this???
I give two ***** who the hell Bob is...
Have a nice day gentlemen...sorry to see you butthurt over somebody like me??? I guess that's all i have left to say.
EDIT: My bad...hype R owners are always right...
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (4AGE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4AGE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">4 wheel drift, where all 4 tires have actually lost traction through a corner is an actual drift...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Maximum traction is usually generated at 6-8% slip angle of the tires.
Once they have exceeded this, and lost traction, they are significantly slower and the grip falls off very quickly. Less grip = less speed. If you loose grip in the middle of a turn, you are negatively impacting your exit speed because you should be accelerating through the apex, and slower exit speeds = slower lap times.
You're a dolt. Who cares about where you grew up or what you saw.
Maximum traction is usually generated at 6-8% slip angle of the tires.
Once they have exceeded this, and lost traction, they are significantly slower and the grip falls off very quickly. Less grip = less speed. If you loose grip in the middle of a turn, you are negatively impacting your exit speed because you should be accelerating through the apex, and slower exit speeds = slower lap times.
You're a dolt. Who cares about where you grew up or what you saw.
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (.RJ)
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Maximum traction is usually generated at 6-8% slip angle of the tires.
Once they have exceeded this, and lost traction, they are significantly slower and the grip falls off very quickly. Less grip = less speed. If you loose grip in the middle of a turn, you are negatively impacting your exit speed because you should be accelerating through the apex, and slower exit speeds = slower lap times.
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LOL...HOW DO YOU REASON THIS...
Just because you don't have grip you say you don't have speed...If a car is moving at 90 mph and looses grip in a controlled slide...at no more less than 120 degrees you saying he MUST always be slower??? The weight and momentum of the car carries it keeping speed...simple...
When you enter a turn...if you are going to iniate a drift...you WILL NOT be going the same speed as somebody trying to grip drive it...you will be going faster...THUS, you will not have to be at a LESSER speed...you could actually be at the same speed they are...loosing only enough speed to = their gain from where they lost the speed at the entrance.
Maximum traction is usually generated at 6-8% slip angle of the tires.
Once they have exceeded this, and lost traction, they are significantly slower and the grip falls off very quickly. Less grip = less speed. If you loose grip in the middle of a turn, you are negatively impacting your exit speed because you should be accelerating through the apex, and slower exit speeds = slower lap times.
You're a dolt. Who cares about where you grew up or what you saw.</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL...HOW DO YOU REASON THIS...
Just because you don't have grip you say you don't have speed...If a car is moving at 90 mph and looses grip in a controlled slide...at no more less than 120 degrees you saying he MUST always be slower??? The weight and momentum of the car carries it keeping speed...simple...
When you enter a turn...if you are going to iniate a drift...you WILL NOT be going the same speed as somebody trying to grip drive it...you will be going faster...THUS, you will not have to be at a LESSER speed...you could actually be at the same speed they are...loosing only enough speed to = their gain from where they lost the speed at the entrance.
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (4AGE)
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No what I was saying is that downhill competition is RIGGED so that the drifters win.
Your reading comprehension skills are right up there with your understanding of traction and cornering.
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You really should. Not giving two ***** - and subsequently not knowing shows your LACK of knowledge in these areas. You have NO idea what you are talking about. Bob Bondurant on the other hand does. He owns what is probably the SINGLE most respected driving school in the world - and he also has a drift school.
Look him up assclown.
http://www.bondurant.com/pages/bobhistory.html
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No what I was saying is that downhill competition is RIGGED so that the drifters win.
Your reading comprehension skills are right up there with your understanding of traction and cornering.
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You really should. Not giving two ***** - and subsequently not knowing shows your LACK of knowledge in these areas. You have NO idea what you are talking about. Bob Bondurant on the other hand does. He owns what is probably the SINGLE most respected driving school in the world - and he also has a drift school.
Look him up assclown.
http://www.bondurant.com/pages/bobhistory.html
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Internationally recognized as the leading authority on advanced driver training, Bob Bondurant has been at the forefront of professional driving instruction since 1968. Over 85,000 students, ranging from housewives, racers and celebrities, to teenagers, professionals and police officers, have learned from Bondurant’s expertise.
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (4AGE)
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Also...in those pictures...85% of the cars are what? FWD? Of course fwd cars are quicker at grip driving...that's all they do...
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Ok Ill give you some non FWD Corkscrew pics
Im not butt hurt I just think its funny that a guy who wouldnt know a fast lap time if it came up and kicked him in the ***** is talking like he is Skip Barber.
Also...in those pictures...85% of the cars are what? FWD? Of course fwd cars are quicker at grip driving...that's all they do...
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Ok Ill give you some non FWD Corkscrew pics
Im not butt hurt I just think its funny that a guy who wouldnt know a fast lap time if it came up and kicked him in the ***** is talking like he is Skip Barber.
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (Evil Drew M)
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No what I was saying is that downhill competition is RIGGED so that the drifters win.
Your reading comprehension skills are right up there with your understanding of traction and cornering.
You really should. Not giving two ***** - and subsequently not knowing shows your LACK of knowledge in these areas. You have NO idea what you are talking about. Bob Bondurant on the other hand does. He owns what is probably the SINGLE most respected driving school in the world - and he also has a drift school.
Look him up assclown.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Uhm...hey dusche...a downhill competition is strictly on who finishes first...how is that Rigged? Is there a way to rig it so that you can hypnotize one driver to go slow???
NOW, an actual D1 event, yeah, definitely rigged....downhill events...NO.
And my reading and comprehension skills are just find mind you...2 languages does that for you sometimes.
Oh, and i don't have to look people up...or care about somebody i've never met. I know i've seen a couple of zhenki drivers that would own anybody...in just about every driving technique ever...and they work at bus stops in okinawa...just think about that.
No what I was saying is that downhill competition is RIGGED so that the drifters win.
Your reading comprehension skills are right up there with your understanding of traction and cornering.
You really should. Not giving two ***** - and subsequently not knowing shows your LACK of knowledge in these areas. You have NO idea what you are talking about. Bob Bondurant on the other hand does. He owns what is probably the SINGLE most respected driving school in the world - and he also has a drift school.
Look him up assclown.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Uhm...hey dusche...a downhill competition is strictly on who finishes first...how is that Rigged? Is there a way to rig it so that you can hypnotize one driver to go slow???
NOW, an actual D1 event, yeah, definitely rigged....downhill events...NO.
And my reading and comprehension skills are just find mind you...2 languages does that for you sometimes.
Oh, and i don't have to look people up...or care about somebody i've never met. I know i've seen a couple of zhenki drivers that would own anybody...in just about every driving technique ever...and they work at bus stops in okinawa...just think about that.
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Re: Question.... WTF is the point of a drift competition??? (4AGE)
Said it before and I'll say it agian.
A drifter is the balarena of motorsports. If you want to be pretty and look good go put on your tutu and your ballet shoes and get to work.
A drifter is the balarena of motorsports. If you want to be pretty and look good go put on your tutu and your ballet shoes and get to work.