Hi all,

I am still contemplating setups on my future car (spring time) and would like to have some questions answered. I am looking at either getting an LS or a GSR (whichever I find in the condition on looking for, front end damage.). If I get an LS I think I'll boost it because it doesnt come with as much power as a GSR (which I would want to SC) and I am shooting for a reliable 230+ whp. The main reason I'd SC instead of turbo is that I feel like SC's are more reliable, I'm not racing this I just want the power on tap, and I love the whine. Anyhow, on to the questions

1) A JSRC hooks up to intake ports, is there any way to cool this? What if I got like a small traditor or even an FMIC and then ran that back to another radiator or something and put that one under or even ontop of the blower and then hooke dup a pump to this to run radiator fluid between the two. Would this cool off the intake temps?

2) I know that 10lbs of boost isnt 10lbs of boost really (depends on whats making it) but would I have ot worry about a GSR on 9 or 10 lbs of boos with only like an fmu or something cheap to start? Like the crank and everything would be ok right?

3) If I got the sc and a hondata instead of the sc and forged internals (I will have a semi low budget to start) would I be able to add the forged internals later and turn up the boost yet still keep the benefit of the tune on the hondata from before? I guess I dont know if the old tune will work for the increased boost

4) What are the going rates on used vortech centrifugal sc's? I couldnt find anything.

5) Should I worry a whole lot about mileage? I know my friend has a stock sc that has 83k on it with no probs

6) Any estimates on a GSR with a header running a 9lb pulley? I think I would eventually have the sc p&ped, and if my cooling idea worked...

Again I want 230+ whp and dont really want a junkyard turbo but im low budget (a jrsc can be had for like 1800 on this very board)

 

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ohh boy your gona open a can of worms with that one...

but to answer some of your questions..

230+whp out of a roughly stock LS/GSR/TYPER motor with a JRSC is going to be no simple feat. but it can be done..i have seen a typeR with boost upgrade, hondata make 214whp
($5,000-$6,000 in mods)
- check this post - https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=530787 but im sorry to say i dont believe JR's dyno number...269hp out of a typeR stock....hmmm no one else seems to be able to acheive that....

cooling, there are some guys on here that have made some system to run an intercooler on there charges...how its done im not sure, but i guess it can be done(more money)

with 9psi, the crank will be fine,the crank is usually fine, its the pistons and rods that are the issue most the time, just run enoughh fuel with the FMU if you dont get Hondata/aem ems/uberdata/haltech and so on....

forged internals can be added later, theres no reason why they cant, but if you up the boost, the tune should be redone. it all depends on what you do to the internals..i.e lower compression

used price on vortech SC...no idea

mileage...if you keep up on oil changes and maintenance you should be fine...it wont last as long as if it was stock if thats what your asking.

power on a gsr(try searching, there might be some numbers out there) my estimate stock everything, 200whp maybe......with the charger ported and polished(not exactly sure how your gona do that, most people rework the S-neck, not sure about the manifold) and some sort of cooling, 220whp maybe....

hope this helps....superchargers are hard to predict....i have seen them make decent power, and i have seen them make crap power...it probably depends alot on install and lots of other things.....

for 1800 you can get a used greddy turbo kit...which isnt junkyard, and could make the power you want, plus you can upgrade it later pretty easily.....and intercoolers arent a super modification project...

- check out this post - https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=658701

just a tid bit of info for you...

but superchargers are good for some people, and if you want it go for it.


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Modified by pornstarSR at 2:35 AM 1/5/2004

 

Thank you for the replies I just meant more reliable in that there is less than can go wrong. Whole gears may break allowing more boost, that is very less common than a vacuum line coming off of a turbo setup and it running full boost, blowing the negine. Plus, the snail could have shaft play or get a crack or the oil could coke, etc. You get what I mean.. I know that as far as your ENGINES heath goes, its all in the tune. Don't get me wrong about that..


I've really been getting the oimpression from what I've been reading that 230whp will be hard to reach with a SC, which worries me becuase thta is my goal. I'd love to have a sc, as I just love so manyt hings about it (especially the whine, and the power right on tap) but its ineffciency is what makes me want a turbo.

This is just a daily driver you know, I've grown out of wanting to race every car I see. And I dont really want to drag that seriously either. Just want something with some giddy up, like I said

I'm really not sure what I will do... I'd absolutely love to hear from some people with SC'ed cars out there

 

im not trying to crush your ideas....i had the same one when i started 6 years back...i wanted a SC car...cause i thought it was bad ***...and the thing is they are...if they are designed better...they make power...not alot...and they are easy on the motor...and are bolt on....this is in stock form...

buuut a good greddy kit is all of the above also, minus the design comment, and power comment....(hint hint, ok ill shut up haha)

the thing is there are risks with both systems. everyone likes to blame turbos for blowing engines, but lots of the times its all about the details...if you dont put a clamp on the vacuum line, it will come off. and yes it will over boost...

think about this...are there any high HP supercharged hondas out there?


nope, Dr.Charles tried to make one, didnt work out, wasnt fast enough...

but i have started to see a few in the 11's now

i know you dont want to race, but it is kind of interesting...

also check my first post i added some links to other post that i found...

 

You might enjoy reading http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/22838/

One thing I forgot to mention is that I dont have time to always tinker with my car -- I need reliable transportation during the weekdays. But yet, I will not settle for less than 230+ whp. Remeber my purposes, I do not intend to drag this car only street driven (not raced, driven). I hear though incidentally that supers runm high times in qaurters anyway even if they have a lot of peak whp becuase they run out of juice in upper RPM's. Is this true?


Modified by Atheist at 3:01 AM 1/5/2004