So has everyone seen Hondatas numbers for the Jackson/Moss Big Boost supercharger kit? This dyno is on a GSR:



I'm pretty impressed... I'd just like to know what exactly they were running to get those kind of results. Any other thoughts, opinions?


Please make honda-tech an enjoyable place and restrain from making stupid comments like "go turbo, mang!" This is the F/I forum... not the Turbo forum.

 

b18c5, matt from hondata says....

http://www.hondata.com/98sctyper.html

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=517991

 

Yes I also find it very hard to believe that a d16 @10psi makes more power and torque than a b16. did you see that graph??? some of those numbers seem to be very inflated. 270 WHP out of a Type-R???? sounds like crap to me

 

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I don't see where your finding that at.

270whp sounds right at 10psi on a c5 to me. Tony1 got 270+ off 5.5 psi from a turbo on a c5.

 

If you consider the things that they dont tell you it might sound more believable: open header, race gas, possibly icing the intake..
Most people will tell you they dont do any of that stuff but more do then you know...
These are some things that can be done to influence dyno results, not saying they were but..

scott


Modified by scooter at 9:19 AM 6/10/2003

 

Take a closer look at the page: http://www.hondata.com/jrsc_big_boost.html

Upon reading the graphs and text several things are very clear.

1) There is no power chart rated at 270HP. The B18C5 makes about 262 hp.
(and tailpipe emissions were cleaner than using the stock ECU!)
2) All cars ran catalytic converters
3) The D16 ran more boost than the B16, which is why it makes more torque.

For clarification:

The runs were all made on a Dynapack Dyno. As it is a hub dyno, figures are 10-15 HP higher than a Dynojet.

The manifolds were not iced but were allowed to cool for about 5 minutes. It is easy to lose 5-10 HP on three or 4 successive runs due to heat soak.

All cars used California pump gas.

 

That jrsc is dieing for some type of intercooler, id like to see the intake temps.

 

Doug,

Do you guys use Church's dyno out in Torrance ?

 

It's not crap and it's daily driven. The last dyno we ran on my car was a fairly heatsoaked run which is what was posted on the website. This was also with full catback system (comptech 4-2-1 header and catback) installed with my OEM CAT which has never been removed. It should also be noted that the car was running in closed loop. With this same setup the car also passed Arizona emissions much cleaner than any stock Type R i've ever seen. I've personally driven all the cars mentioned and that we have the dyno plots for and it was surprising how much power they actually have. The d-series does seems to have mor low end poer but it's still a slower car than the b16 since it cannot rev as high and the tranmission is not geared as well for acceleration. As for intake temps, mine typically tend to get up to about 180, unless I run in bosst for an extended time then it will climb to a little over 200. Eventually I will test an intercooler setup on my car and we'll see what that does.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spunkster &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's not crap and it's daily driven. The last dyno we ran on my car was a fairly heatsoaked run which is what was posted on the website. This was also with full catback system (comptech 4-2-1 header and catback) installed with my OEM CAT which has never been removed. It should also be noted that the car was running in closed loop. With this same setup the car also passed Arizona emissions much cleaner than any stock Type R i've ever seen. I've personally driven all the cars mentioned and that we have the dyno plots for and it was surprising how much power they actually have. The d-series does seems to have mor low end poer but it's still a slower car than the b16 since it cannot rev as high and the tranmission is not geared as well for acceleration. As for intake temps, mine typically tend to get up to about 180, unless I run in bosst for an extended time then it will climb to a little over 200. Eventually I will test an intercooler setup on my car and we'll see what that does. </TD></TR></TABLE>

wow, those are HIGH intake numbers..

Just for comparisions.. my friends rx7 with front mount, sees around 80 degrees air to air cooler... its hot in louisiana.. actually i think the numbers were lower

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jordo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

wow, those are HIGH intake numbers..

Just for comparisions.. my friends rx7 with front mount, sees around 80 degrees air to air cooler... its hot in louisiana.. actually i think the numbers were lower </TD></TR></TABLE>

But that is with an intercooler, which makes a world of difference

 

Awesome, I was hoping that the owner of the car was in this forum when I started this thread... thanks for the info guys.

Spunkster, were you running the stock ITR cams in your car? I've been told by several people, including John at LHT that the ITR exhuast cam is good for a few more whp (in my GSR)... so I'm considering dropping one in when I install my cam gears.

 

Running a completely bone stock ITR engine internally.

 

Is there any tuning needed after the install of the hondata big boost kit? will I still need money left for a couple dyno pulls?

 

So there is suppose to be 230-235whp at 10psi for the GSR?
I just ordered jrsc big boost map for b18c and s200b and getting rc 440 saturated injectors.

Is that what I should be expecting is 230ish whp? Im running 9psi with the stepper pulley. What are the exact mods done to that GSR you dyno'd?

 

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Brought back from the dead.

I'm running the GSR map on my GSR's setup and it's pretty good. I have a few hiccups that I'd like to get tuned out. But over all it's a pretty awesome base map.

Also you figure ever engine, plus people running different mods and climate differs. You can't just say 10 psi on so-and-so's car should be the same on my car. You may have different headers, exhaust, different pulley for 10 psi etc.

So I can't imagine getting the map and not taking it to the dyno somewhere down the line to fine tune it.

 

Well, nice for a Jackson, but man, I know why people switch to turbo's. I made the same or more torque from 2k rpms to redline, and killed in on hp with my Rev Hard/SC34 and with 2lbs less boost. Not saying its bad, just less. If only mine would pass smog like the Jackson setup will

 

Hondata,
could you list the mods you had for that gsr?

 

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first off, in your perfect little turbo world would everybody have the same car, same motor, same boost? I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sick of everyone saying go turbo. why? so I can be like everybody else that buys a 93 hatch and drops a b18b in and slaps a turbo on it.
seconed, I plan on making close to 200whp with my JRSC at 10lbs. and I don't care what anyone thinks, that's impressive for a stock block d16.
third, with my JIC full suspension set up and 200whp I should do just fine on the track

 

Ooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy, I got it. You want to be different

Chill yo, I wasn't trying to flame. My best friend had Jackson, 11psi b16, made 220fwhp, and 220deg intake temps .

Seriously, it was very entertaining to drive. I really liked the whine of the blower, and the way the power came on was very streetable. Like I said before, wish my turbo passed smog like a Jackson can! I actually like the thing, I just like my turbo better....for me, that is all

 

I think it was a DC header, Jackson intake, don't remember the catback thought, Hondata, and injectors. Old post, you probably won't get a response, so I thought I would help.

 

That GSR actually had LS headers on it...so it could have probably make a little better power with the correct one.

As for my ITR...it's now gone...******* thieves can rot deep within the bowels of hell

 

I just saw your sig when I was reading this thread man...I cant believe that....Im sorry to hear dude

 

wow and it uses "headers" must be one of Hondas new V engines

 

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my thoughts exactly...