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Hell yeah, coming down to my side of town! I'll see you there man. You should come out at night with that thing and prowl Moreland and whoop some ***!

 

street racing is bad, I dont participate

 

street racing is gay. Moreland def. used to have some badass domestics there. It was funny how people had their kids there w/ lawn chairs and **** to watch at like 2-3am...haha

 

I think that the Del Sol is a pretty good choice. If i were going to go with anything else I might try one of the older Accords, not the boxy ones but not the brand new ones. A two door Accord I think they were 94-98 or something like that.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RaceCity_USA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I too have a mid-engine RWD H22 project in the works. While I'm not nearly as far along as Cody, I have a wrecked 97 Prelude VTEC (H22A4) doner and a shop set up with all the tools and equipment I need. I just need to decide what car to receive the conversion. This is where all of you come in. I've read this entire thread and there seems to be lots of interest in this project. While my goals are a little different from Cody's, the basic project is the same...convert a front engine FWD to a mid-engine RWD. I have a long list of goals and considerations but basically I'd like to end up with something that rides, drives, handles and performs like an NSX with comperable reliability and desirability (good looks). Right now I'm leaning most heavely towards a 94-97 Integra, but I'm also considering 92-97 Civics (hatch, coupe, and del sol). I've also considered Preludes and Accords, which are heavy, but not completely out of the question. Please let me know what you whould chose and why you think it's the best choice, including what you might be willing to pay for one, or at least what you think it might be worth on the open market.

Thanks,
Dave

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Either way I look forward to seeing you at the show, seeing your car, talking your head off, and letting you see my setup with your manifold [I'll be entering too].

 

When info about the del sol began to leak out, I (and a number of others) were hoping that it would be mid-engine RWD, much like a mini (and more affordable)NSX. Alas, it was not to be, and I think that kind of turned a number of people off, including myself. The only unique things it offered was an open top and wing panel, semi-fastback styling. Plus it was heavy, compared to a hatchback of the day. I admit that I know little about del sols, but my main concern with it as a mid-engine car is structural integrity. Tinker is using a cage to alleviate this issue, and I have thought of welding in the roof panel (is it steel?) to add strength. Does anyone have any experience with chassis rigidity/strength of a del sol? Tinker already answered another question I had, and that was with the rear window functionality. A del sol is not out-of-the-question, but these are some of the concerns I've had.

As for the Accord coupe, I haven't really researched them as much as Civics and Integras, primarily due to it's weight, but now that I have a vote for it, I'll take another look.

So far I have:
1 - build from scratch
1 - del sol
1 - Accord coupe

Thanks,
Dave

 

Buy a Porsche 914 if you want a mid engine RWD targa top setup.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RaceCity_USA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When info about the del sol began to leak out, I (and a number of others) were hoping that it would be mid-engine RWD, much like a mini (and more affordable)NSX. Alas, it was not to be, and I think that kind of turned a number of people off, including myself. The only unique things it offered was an open top and wing panel, semi-fastback styling. Plus it was heavy, compared to a hatchback of the day. I admit that I know little about del sols, but my main concern with it as a mid-engine car is structural integrity. Tinker is using a cage to alleviate this issue, and I have thought of welding in the roof panel (is it steel?) to add strength. Does anyone have any experience with chassis rigidity/strength of a del sol? Tinker already answered another question I had, and that was with the rear window functionality. A del sol is not out-of-the-question, but these are some of the concerns I've had.

As for the Accord coupe, I haven't really researched them as much as Civics and Integras, primarily due to it's weight, but now that I have a vote for it, I'll take another look.

So far I have:
1 - build from scratch
1 - del sol
1 - Accord coupe

Thanks,
Dave
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If you really have the time, build it from scratch.

 

Thats crazy !!! Good luck

 

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They flex like crazy. Even an EG chassis is hella stiff by comparison. The only resolution is a cage. An acquaintance built a D Mod Del Sol with nearly the identical setup to mine(except the rear swaybar. his is 22mm, mine is 19mm). He didn't feel like doing a cage though... Part of life with a FWD in autocross is the whole "pissing dog" thing, but if your suspension is right, the inside rear wheel only lifts an inch or so. That Sol flexed so bad all 4 wheels stayed on the ground no matter what, in spite of that 22 mm rear bar. He gave up on the project pretty quickly.

I think a RWD Sol would be incredible, especially with some chassis stiffening. There is a fairly successful D Mod Sol out there, but it has extensive cage work (and the entire top is missing).

 

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They flex like crazy. Even an EG chassis is hella stiff by comparison. The only resolution is a cage. An acquaintance built a D Mod Del Sol with nearly the identical setup to mine(except the rear swaybar. his is 22mm, mine is 19mm). He didn't feel like doing a cage though... Part of life with a FWD in autocross is the whole "pissing dog" thing, but if your suspension is right, the inside rear wheel only lifts an inch or so. That Sol flexed so bad all 4 wheels stayed on the ground no matter what, in spite of that 22 mm rear bar. He gave up on the project pretty quickly.
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so you can see the body lifting towards the front outside corner but the wheels remained flat? wouldnt that mean the sway to body brackets are being torn rather than the body flexing? or the rear is lifting evenly as in nose dive?
if the body nor the wheels are lifting, i think that means he doesnt have enough G's to lift or his tires really stink heh.

 

before i went nuts w/the welder and plasma cutter, and the car was still somewhat normal...if you jacked the car up by one of the front tow hooks, the doors wouldnt open or close properly. They would either stick, or bow out. Ya, REAL stiff chassis in stock form
The cage will do WONDERs for stiffness. Especially when I get around to finishing it.
I have decided to NOT boost the car this summer. I have to concentrate any income(quite small actually) elsewhere, and I dont think I can come up with the $1700 or so needed to build a block/finish the turbo setup.
So what happened to the T4 SC61 that I aquired through a barter?






holy GOD! I didnt think this turbo would make that much of a difference. It sounds like an absolute banshee from hell(ok, a jet). Spools WAY faster(starts at around 2200rpm, 13 psi by 3500rpm), and just SCREAMS up top. Im in aw....
so SC61 = bandwagon for a ******* reason!

 

Lets see some videos of the neon.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tinker219 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">before i went nuts w/the welder and plasma cutter, and the car was still somewhat normal...if you jacked the car up by one of the front tow hooks, the doors wouldnt open or close properly. They would either stick, or bow out. Ya, REAL stiff chassis in stock form
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They flex like crazy. Even an EG chassis is hella stiff by comparison. The only resolution is a cage. An acquaintance built a D Mod Del Sol with nearly the identical setup to mine(except the rear swaybar. his is 22mm, mine is 19mm). He didn't feel like doing a cage though... Part of life with a FWD in autocross is the whole "pissing dog" thing, but if your suspension is right, the inside rear wheel only lifts an inch or so. That Sol flexed so bad all 4 wheels stayed on the ground no matter what, in spite of that 22 mm rear bar. He gave up on the project pretty quickly.

I think a RWD Sol would be incredible, especially with some chassis stiffening. There is a fairly successful D Mod Sol out there, but it has extensive cage work (and the entire top is missing).
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This confirms some of my concerns with the del sol. Torsional rigidity is a big handling problem, and I was also bothered with how the del sol chassis would react to bending forces (from acceleration and braking).

Is the roof panel made of steel and could it be welded in? I'm trying to stay away from a cage for 2 reasons, ingress/egress and weight.

Now you've really got me thinking about the "start from scratch" idea. Lets see...used stock car chassis are piled up in the scrap yards around here... with some modification and lightening...I've got the complete Prelude with a perfect interior...suspension parts are all over the place...mid-engine mini cup car?...or maybe Bahama racing has an old TransAm car laying around...
Wait! I could research this thing to death and never get anything built...I've got to limit the scope of this project. The "future projects" list is growing rapidly!

So far I have:
2 - build from scratch
2 - del sol
1 - Accord coupe

Thanks,
Dave

 

The roof panel is made of aluminum. I remember a couple years ago some people had stiffened the chassis by using some expandable foam or something in certain body channels and whatnot. That could be something to think about.

 

Damn Tinker! I leave for a few months....then it takes me the whole day to read the post in it's entirety! Looking very sweet bro.....wanna do my hatch next?

 

Video of the SC61 or ban

 

hey cody, does this sol happen to have been this one?



found the pic on your site...

 

bump

 

bump bump

 

goddamn

 

i have a few ideas for stiffening up the chassis
if you install a cage and run two pieces of tubing from down low on the back of the cage(so it will celar the power window) and triangulate it all the way to the back beside the spare tire tub (where the rear bumper support bolts up) and then add at least two more pieces to the running two pieces of tubing down to the body as it goes towards the back.

it may sound confusing but it is really hard to explaing what you have pictured in your head.

i will have to draw a pic and post it

 

here ya go so you can have a visual aid to decipher what i was saying

 

pictures please

 

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