There is always the option of making the front one an run with a slush box....

I dont think the sleeper SOHC would work so well with 6.5 flares

 

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Agreed. I think if he was using a B series tranny he might have a problem with misshifts, but with two H series cable shift trannies, I don't see why there would be a problem. Maybe a little bit of hard work making sure the clutches were timed properly.

 

put the stock motor up front run that most of the time to save gas. then when ya wanna race turn on the motor in the back turn off the motor up front and there ya go. that would be badass!

 

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not worth the effort, when I go twin engine, fully built H22, same transmissions for the correct gear ratios, etc. Enough on the twin setup, you guys are making me think too hard on that, rather than just getting the car done! Although, it wouldnt be too much harder to do that, just alot more $$$.

 

looks good cody...

 

you said before you were going to use the stock springs front and rear (i assume since you have 2 front ends, they will be the same spring rates?). think you'll need some softer ones in the front, or else you may find it plowing like crazy. the weight in the rear will help bring the *** around, but i think turn-in will stink. just going by the opposite of what happens in a fwd car- we stiffen the rear to make the rear come around, and to keep the front tucked in. i just think if the front is too stiff you may find the rear of the car pushing the front straight to the outside of the corner.

also, dont you think 345s in the front are a bit excessive? without ps, turning will be a PITA! not to mention how goofy it'll look with 6-inch deep dishes in the front

 

I do agree that 345's in the front are a mistake. You should try driving a corvette when the power steering goes out. OMG .

I'd definately run 205's in the front and huge meats out back just to **** with people's heads. It'd be like the Honda version of the Shelby Cobra .

 

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I couldn't agree with you more. I was just saying it COULD be done. As for your little story...that is hillarious!! I have a bonehead friend that seems to get himself and whatever vehicle he is driving into some pretty funny situations. That sounds exactly like something he would say.

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Yeah, most of my friends are boneheads. I act like a bonehead myself sometimes.

As far as a non-H22 drivetrain up front... run a SOHC with auto tranny in the short term until you have the $$$, the extra 100 hp/tq WILL be very noticeable. Since the tranny shifts itself, you don't have to worry about gear ratios and shift points as with dual 5 spd setups.

 

LOL.. you know that would be hilarious.. I wonder if the tranny would shift fast enough, considering how fast you'd proly be flying through the gears.. Although.. that is a good idea, the extra 100whp would be a huge help, not to mention AWD Imagine stock size front tires w/ big *** rear tires.. not to mention feeling 2 trannies shift at different times! Haha that'd be funny to see!

-Mike

 

if he puts another motor in front (differ one), wont that create more drag? The back will be pushing the front. The front motor wont be picking up speed fast enough and will be like hitting the brakes. That's why they have to be the same motor/set-up.

 

those of you suggesting an auto tranny in the front......

are you sure this would work? if the tranny has different gear ratios (which i assume they do?) then wont one motor always be pushing the other? (depending on which one is ahead)..... just a thought

 

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are you sure this would work? if the tranny has different gear ratios (which i assume they do?) then wont one motor always be pushing the other? (depending on which one is ahead)..... just a thought
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what they said. setup needs to be same ratios, both manuals.

 

Maybe it's just me, but I'm a little confused on what you guys mean by the one motor pushing against the other...? If you have 2 independent drivetrains in the front and rear, as in an auto in the front and manual in the back, the ecu would take care of shifting for the front wheels and you shift for the rear..? Maybe I'm just missing something obvious..? Also how would a motor in the front be creating more drag? If it's putting down 100whp then it's putting down power.

Like I said, the main concern I would think would be the tranny not being able to keep up!
I guess a big concern down the road would be having different tire sizes in the front and rear, and having 1 tranny in the front and rear. This would throw off the gearing a bit, but I guess there's no other way around it. Also having the power from the 2 different motors kick in at different times would be "interesting!"

I think the best thing is just for him to stick w/ his plan and run just a rwd car for now, and worry about a 2 engine car later. I think that would add alot of little issues.

-Mike

 

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Right, motors don't create power, they create drag. I forgot John Force runs an engineless tube chassis when he races, boy do I feel dumb.

It's another variant on power:weight ratio. The rear turbo'd H22 carries most the weight, so does that mean a SOHC auto that gives you stunning 17 second performance in a stock 2600 lb Del Sol will now only give 17 second performance in a rear engined "1000 lb" Del Sol, thereby getting in the way of the much faster turbo H22 drivetrain? No.

Stunna, the point at which the SOHC auto drivetrain in question starts dragging is how fast you can free rev the engine. If the last D15B7 auto I drove could accelerate as fast as it free rev'd, I'd be running single digit 1/4's.


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Don't think of an automatic transmission as a solid mechanical linkage instead of a - literally - liquid coupling. And what do different gear ratios have to do with anything when the auto transmission shifts itself?

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You care to explain that? Because neither of the two people you quoted did... brryder just put his foot in his mouth, and keebler65 was stating a hypothesis and asking for clarification, not stating fact.

 

OMG you run a single digit 1/4 mile with your d15 I am so smart......... S-M-R-T.....

I'm gonna have to agree with JDavis here about an auto sohc NOT holding him back. A nice cheap T3 on the SOHC and your keepin up with J Davis in his 9 sec D15 auto civic. YAY!

 

Maybe you can clarify it for me. Here is what I was thinking: If the rear engine is pushing the car at, say 85 mph cruising in 5th gear, who's to say that the SOHC automatic transmission up front can keep up with the monster engine in the rear while trying to maintain the same RPM as the rear engine [assuming both engines are connected to the same throttle]?

 

its good to see that you got a better camera

 

they won't have to be at the same RPM because they will be running different gear ratios. if you're pulling 6400rpm in third on the h22, and the D up front is already at redline, no biggie, it just shifts and now its in 4th gear. no harm, no foul. the only problem i can see is the power being a little erratic, because they both hit their power bands at different times, and you'll get a surge when the sohc shifts. especially when downshifting and gunning it, the auto will take a second to get the hint, so you'll have all the h22 ponies working for you, then the slushbox downshifts, and BAM, extra 100hp (or thereabouts)! might seem cool, but i think it would just be difficult to get the hang of.

 

Maybe not same RPM, but same throttle position. I guess I understand.

It doesn't matter either way, I really doubt Cody is going to put a single cam in the front.

 

Just drop a dummy motor in the front. Gutted out so it weighs nothing and no axles. Just so when you pop the hood up front people are like "No way that is a SOHC!?". But explaining the big rear end and smokey burnouts from the back might be a little difficult...

 

Im not going to wire up an auto tranny only to throw it away in 4 months, sorry guys. Its staying RWD for this year, then over next winter, if the car and/or me is still in one piece, the 2nd H22 will go in the front.
As for shifting, the phyicaly movement of the cables will be simultaneous no matter what. The difficult part will be clutch activation. The only thing I can think of is do do two seperate "master cylinders", so that each clutch sees the exact same pressure. OR, push the clutch in, and wait for both to equalize, and then slam it into gear.
Oh ya, a "Y" in the clutch hydro line wont work very well, because the fluid will take the easiest way out, which will 99.9% for surely be fully dissengaging only one clutch.

On the actual project at-hand, I got the passenger side lower triangle done(along door sill, and down along seat). It turned out GREAT. Fits the door contours like a glove, and everything
Pics tomorrow night if I can get around to taking them!

 

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haha thats awesome, i would do that to make all the ricers go whoa!!! then add nawzzzzzzzzzzzzzz yo! jk keep up the great work cody and keep posting pics, thats what i like!

 

my bare h22 engine/trans weighs in at around 80 lbs. thats W/OUT manifolds and accessories.

 

How about a fully gutted (I'm talking no sleeves, pistons, rods, crank, nothing internal in the trans, nadda!) D block and trans? You wouldnt even need axles since who is really going to look at that? Just run the wires and crap so it looks real. Hell, the extra ballast up front might help keep it on the ground, at least kinda...

With enough power, I can see that thing getting the front end up. Strangely, this is EXACTLY the same project I wanted to do for a long time except with a CRX body. Then again, the DelSol works well for this due to its massive trunk area.

 

Strip a D and turn it into a gas tank!!!!1111