Pauter vs eagle
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Re: (Hella_JDM)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
ive herd that before as well . im sure it was marketing , they are marketing to people who wont buy their old rods lol....</TD></TR></TABLE>
U totally ignored what Mike said and jumped right into furthur bashing eagle, be honest, have you personally had an eagle fail on you? U seem to be going above and beyond to bash eagle.
ive herd that before as well . im sure it was marketing , they are marketing to people who wont buy their old rods lol....</TD></TR></TABLE>
U totally ignored what Mike said and jumped right into furthur bashing eagle, be honest, have you personally had an eagle fail on you? U seem to be going above and beyond to bash eagle.
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yes i did , and thats good for him , im not bashing eagle . but i feel their rods are **** . and if youd read my earlier post :
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i threw the caps off an eagle rod in a b16 all motor car i had , professionly built. i will never use eagles again.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i threw the caps off an eagle rod in a b16 all motor car i had , professionly built. i will never use eagles again.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: (Hella_JDM)
as stated by Larry @ Endyn:
I've seen Pauters break (recently) and I've never thought much of their design. They (Pauter's) won't be finding their way into any engines we build.
http://www.theoldone.com/forum...17032
im happy with my eagle rods.......and so are many others.......if i were to build an all out crazy high HP engine then i would look into other brands......but pauter wouldn't be one of them.
I've seen Pauters break (recently) and I've never thought much of their design. They (Pauter's) won't be finding their way into any engines we build.
http://www.theoldone.com/forum...17032
im happy with my eagle rods.......and so are many others.......if i were to build an all out crazy high HP engine then i would look into other brands......but pauter wouldn't be one of them.
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Re: (AVATAR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AVATAR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wish he would be a little more descriptive as to why he doesnt like them, or I wish I didnt have to be a t.o.o. member to read that link</TD></TR></TABLE>
you should join anyway there is lots of good information over there. and the link does have some information (not that much really) about the pauter rod design and other ****.
you should join anyway there is lots of good information over there. and the link does have some information (not that much really) about the pauter rod design and other ****.
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I was talking to Jeff Evans and he brought up a point, he has tuned cars with
stock rods from 300-400whp with no problems. There is alot of factors of why
rods break and the fact that people use eagles rods probaly 100 to 1 to
pauters and of those 100 alot probaly cut corners where no rod may survive.
It's all and what you want and can afford but for the money eagles are hard to
beat. I will use them again if I build another set-up.
stock rods from 300-400whp with no problems. There is alot of factors of why
rods break and the fact that people use eagles rods probaly 100 to 1 to
pauters and of those 100 alot probaly cut corners where no rod may survive.
It's all and what you want and can afford but for the money eagles are hard to
beat. I will use them again if I build another set-up.
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Re: (Hella_JDM)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes i threw the caps off an eagle rod in a b16 all motor car i had , professionly built. i will never use eagles again.
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Maybe its time to find a different builder.
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Maybe its time to find a different builder.
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Re: (non-VTEC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by non-VTEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as stated by Larry @ Endyn:
I've seen Pauters break (recently) and I've never thought much of their design. They (Pauter's) won't be finding their way into any engines we build.
http://www.theoldone.com/forum...17032
im happy with my eagle rods.......and so are many others.......if i were to build an all out crazy high HP engine then i would look into other brands......but pauter wouldn't be one of them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'd like to see the rod. That's the only rod I haven't seen break. They may be a bit heavier than most rods, but you can't argue that they're not damn strong. I've put them through a beating on many B motors, 900+hp and 11k rpms.
I've seen Pauters break (recently) and I've never thought much of their design. They (Pauter's) won't be finding their way into any engines we build.
http://www.theoldone.com/forum...17032
im happy with my eagle rods.......and so are many others.......if i were to build an all out crazy high HP engine then i would look into other brands......but pauter wouldn't be one of them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'd like to see the rod. That's the only rod I haven't seen break. They may be a bit heavier than most rods, but you can't argue that they're not damn strong. I've put them through a beating on many B motors, 900+hp and 11k rpms.
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I'd like to see the rod. That's the only rod I haven't seen break. They may be a bit heavier than most rods, but you can't argue that they're not damn strong. I've put them through a beating on many B motors, 900+hp and 11k rpms.</TD></TR></TABLE>
im not arguing that there not strong.......im sure they are much stronger than the stock rods will ever be. but i personally dont like the design of them and would probably never use them.
I'd like to see the rod. That's the only rod I haven't seen break. They may be a bit heavier than most rods, but you can't argue that they're not damn strong. I've put them through a beating on many B motors, 900+hp and 11k rpms.</TD></TR></TABLE>
im not arguing that there not strong.......im sure they are much stronger than the stock rods will ever be. but i personally dont like the design of them and would probably never use them.
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Re: Pauter vs eagle (Hella_JDM)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its not the bolts its the end caps that fail on the eagle.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I believe you are right because the rods were breaking when you approached about 400hp. At least that was what Eagle was saying the rods were breaking on the drag strip. The cast was of the rods end caps were the same as a civic or something likethat. I remember because my car was being built around the time and we encountered a problem on wether to buy new rods or stick with the old ones because of a issue similare to that. The reason they are making the new rods with an increase in size is to correct the problem of the weakness caused by the end caps. It's been about 6months ago so my memory isn't exactly clear on the issue.
I believe you are right because the rods were breaking when you approached about 400hp. At least that was what Eagle was saying the rods were breaking on the drag strip. The cast was of the rods end caps were the same as a civic or something likethat. I remember because my car was being built around the time and we encountered a problem on wether to buy new rods or stick with the old ones because of a issue similare to that. The reason they are making the new rods with an increase in size is to correct the problem of the weakness caused by the end caps. It's been about 6months ago so my memory isn't exactly clear on the issue.
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Personally, what i think it boils down to in the end is personally preference. I'm trying to decide between Eagle and Oliver...the eagle is so tempting because of the price, but due to the stress they will be under I CANT AFFORD to have them break. So I will spend the extra on the olivers. Sure its a lot more, but so is machine work, a new crank, maybe cylinder head etc. In my personal opinion I'd rather spend too much money and wait another month for my car to go together with the assurance that my car will have less down time than the person who "half assed" his engine. Also...another thought. We spend 1200 on a Full-Race turbo manifold but wont buck up a 700 dollar bill for rods? Ive never heard of a turbo manifold breaking and destroying a 3000 dollar engine. NEVER.
Again this is just my take and the decision I chose. To each his own.
Again this is just my take and the decision I chose. To each his own.
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Maybe its time to find a different builder. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i found a different rod , and that seemed to solve it.
Maybe its time to find a different builder.
</TD></TR></TABLE>i found a different rod , and that seemed to solve it.
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Re: (tony1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I'd like to see the rod. That's the only rod I haven't seen break. They may be a bit heavier than most rods, but you can't argue that they're not damn strong. I've put them through a beating on many B motors, 900+hp and 11k rpms.</TD></TR></TABLE>
me too . design??? who says H beams are a better design? it seems to me that the design of the pauters is working well for them.
I'd like to see the rod. That's the only rod I haven't seen break. They may be a bit heavier than most rods, but you can't argue that they're not damn strong. I've put them through a beating on many B motors, 900+hp and 11k rpms.</TD></TR></TABLE>
me too . design??? who says H beams are a better design? it seems to me that the design of the pauters is working well for them.
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Re: Pauter vs eagle (Boostage)
After searching through a bunch of garbage, I think I found the post about the broken Pauter rod.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=785122
It was a B16 ~500hp, but he was running an FMU. I think that explains it right there.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=785122
It was a B16 ~500hp, but he was running an FMU. I think that explains it right there.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by non-VTEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
im not arguing that there not strong.......im sure they are much stronger than the stock rods will ever be. but i personally dont like the design of them and would probably never use them.</TD></TR></TABLE>Pauter rods have been the same design for 35 years. They just don't fail on their own. I will tell Don Pauter you don't like his design and maybe he will change it.
I once asked Don why that particular design. He talked about things like torsional/twisting loads and forces I never considered in rod design. He said that the Eagle "H" design worked better for pistons over 4" in diameter when controlling torsional loads. At 3-3.5" he feels his design is superior.
When it comes down to it, a $20 Timex tells time as well as a $2000 Rolex. Or does it?
im not arguing that there not strong.......im sure they are much stronger than the stock rods will ever be. but i personally dont like the design of them and would probably never use them.</TD></TR></TABLE>Pauter rods have been the same design for 35 years. They just don't fail on their own. I will tell Don Pauter you don't like his design and maybe he will change it.
I once asked Don why that particular design. He talked about things like torsional/twisting loads and forces I never considered in rod design. He said that the Eagle "H" design worked better for pistons over 4" in diameter when controlling torsional loads. At 3-3.5" he feels his design is superior.
When it comes down to it, a $20 Timex tells time as well as a $2000 Rolex. Or does it?
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Re: Pauter vs eagle (91TegLS)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91TegLS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">After searching through a bunch of garbage, I think I found the post about the broken Pauter rod.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=785122
It was a B16 ~500hp, but he was running an FMU. I think that explains it right there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
dood , he gave no evidence that there was a broken rod....or what actually failed on the motor....useless thread.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=785122
It was a B16 ~500hp, but he was running an FMU. I think that explains it right there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
dood , he gave no evidence that there was a broken rod....or what actually failed on the motor....useless thread.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and when your motor grenades its self from an eagle rod , youll end up spending more money than you would have if you had bought pauters 
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God, you must be pimped out by Modacar, AEBS, Pauter and CP
J/K, I recommend Greddy products to n00bs all the time
</TD></TR></TABLE>God, you must be pimped out by Modacar, AEBS, Pauter and CP
J/K, I recommend Greddy products to n00bs all the time
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
When it comes down to it, a $20 Timex tells time as well as a $2000 Rolex. Or does it? </TD></TR></TABLE>
i dunno $2000 won't get you a great Rolex
When it comes down to it, a $20 Timex tells time as well as a $2000 Rolex. Or does it?
</TD></TR></TABLE>i dunno $2000 won't get you a great Rolex
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Re: Pauter vs eagle (91TegLS)
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It was a B16 ~500hp, but he was running an FMU. I think that explains it right there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
no it doesnt explain because it wasnt a bad tune that broke his rod stop jumping to conclusions it had nothing to do with detonation.
It was a B16 ~500hp, but he was running an FMU. I think that explains it right there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
no it doesnt explain because it wasnt a bad tune that broke his rod stop jumping to conclusions it had nothing to do with detonation.
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i dunno $2000 won't get you a great Rolex </TD></TR></TABLE>
it will get you a down payment lol
my friends and i were rolex shopping and he picked out one , they only make 12 a year one for each month , and only a select few stores get it . it was 90k , the band was platnium and was lined with diamonds. needless to say he didnt get it.
i dunno $2000 won't get you a great Rolex
</TD></TR></TABLE>it will get you a down payment lol
my friends and i were rolex shopping and he picked out one , they only make 12 a year one for each month , and only a select few stores get it . it was 90k , the band was platnium and was lined with diamonds. needless to say he didnt get it.
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This is correct but what you don't hear is what happens 2 weeks later when they fail. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I wonder if Eagle would still want to do business with you if they read some of what you've posted.
This is correct but what you don't hear is what happens 2 weeks later when they fail. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I wonder if Eagle would still want to do business with you if they read some of what you've posted.
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Re: Pauter vs eagle (Hella_JDM)
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dood , he gave no evidence that there was a broken rod....or what actually failed on the motor....useless thread.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I promise u that I saw it in person and so did bruceleroy, Jose is hard as hell to get a hold of and as soon as I see him I am going to get that pic taken. I wouldnt lie about this.
dood , he gave no evidence that there was a broken rod....or what actually failed on the motor....useless thread.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I promise u that I saw it in person and so did bruceleroy, Jose is hard as hell to get a hold of and as soon as I see him I am going to get that pic taken. I wouldnt lie about this.