Pauter vs eagle
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Re: (DaZman69)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DaZman69 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Plenty of people have hit over 500whp with eagles...</TD></TR></TABLE>
This is correct but what you don't hear is what happens 2 weeks later when they fail.
This is correct but what you don't hear is what happens 2 weeks later when they fail.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostage »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> but for the record I HAVE seen a pauter rod broken in two peices and the owner still has it, I can have a picture taken. </TD></TR></TABLE> I would love to see the pix of the broken Pauter if you can post it or e-mail it to me. I think if the story came out, it would probably be from the effect of something else breaking first and causing the damage to the Pauter.
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Re: Pauter vs eagle (Jackson4Door)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jackson4Door »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
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The focus of the discussion however was the new bolts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the point of the discussion was the differance between the new ones and the old ones... i stated my opinion on the old ones... thanks for u opinion though...
i know people have used eagles on race motors as well... i remember bein at the track before... saw a block with an eagle stickin out of it next to angela's trailor and the block in jj's car had a rod also stickin out the side of it... (not 100% on jj's as to if it was an eagle but as far as i can remember it was...
to put it simply.. after all the money people put into these motors why risk it on an inferior rod? stock rods can hold up to 300-400... i just dont understand y some people insist on buying cheap rods... afterall, u do get what u pay for...
on a more positive note... the newer rods with the bigger bolts i have been seeing better results from
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The focus of the discussion however was the new bolts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the point of the discussion was the differance between the new ones and the old ones... i stated my opinion on the old ones... thanks for u opinion though...
i know people have used eagles on race motors as well... i remember bein at the track before... saw a block with an eagle stickin out of it next to angela's trailor and the block in jj's car had a rod also stickin out the side of it... (not 100% on jj's as to if it was an eagle but as far as i can remember it was...
to put it simply.. after all the money people put into these motors why risk it on an inferior rod? stock rods can hold up to 300-400... i just dont understand y some people insist on buying cheap rods... afterall, u do get what u pay for...
on a more positive note... the newer rods with the bigger bolts i have been seeing better results from
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
This is correct but what you don't hear is what happens 2 weeks later when they fail. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Your posts are insightfull but come on with that ****...2 weeks huh??
This is correct but what you don't hear is what happens 2 weeks later when they fail. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Your posts are insightfull but come on with that ****...2 weeks huh??
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Re: (earl)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I would love to see the pix of the broken Pauter if you can post it or e-mail it to me. I think if the story came out, it would probably be from the effect of something else breaking first and causing the damage to the Pauter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There was a story with it, I dont quite remember but I will try to get pics today.
There was a story with it, I dont quite remember but I will try to get pics today.
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Re: (Hella_JDM)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and when your motor grenades its self from an eagle rod , youll end up spending more money than you would have if you had bought pauters 
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Thats the old rods there studs. The new ones are much better..
Your just Mr. He Said --> She Said lately aren't you? Negative Nancy
</TD></TR></TABLE>Thats the old rods there studs. The new ones are much better..
Your just Mr. He Said --> She Said lately aren't you? Negative Nancy
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Re: (earl)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
This is correct but what you don't hear is what happens 2 weeks later when they fail. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Bolt Failure.....thats it period....
I have seen over 850whp on the dyno with the Eagles...then 10 passes later poof!.......
Exchange them for Olivers same thing......
Cunnigham same thing......
At first I believed everyone saying that the Eagles wouldnt stay together...so I changed up twice.....same results...the rod bolt failed in every case...
I sent out one of each Eagle/Oliver/Cunningham....that didnt break.... each had bolt fatigue...(to an independant place)...
Later discussions we found that our stroke combo and rpm was causing the problem.....I need 7/16" rod bolts....which will require a big end rod design change....This is due to the piston speeds with our long stroke and high RPM...Destroking will allow the use of shelf rods...If I stay with the Stroke and rpm, My potential for more HP is there but the rod would have to be crazy...
APPLICATION is the key......
Budget....
RPM......
Stroke.....
How good your tuner is......will determine how over-built things need to be...
Howard
This is correct but what you don't hear is what happens 2 weeks later when they fail. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Bolt Failure.....thats it period....
I have seen over 850whp on the dyno with the Eagles...then 10 passes later poof!.......
Exchange them for Olivers same thing......
Cunnigham same thing......
At first I believed everyone saying that the Eagles wouldnt stay together...so I changed up twice.....same results...the rod bolt failed in every case...
I sent out one of each Eagle/Oliver/Cunningham....that didnt break.... each had bolt fatigue...(to an independant place)...
Later discussions we found that our stroke combo and rpm was causing the problem.....I need 7/16" rod bolts....which will require a big end rod design change....This is due to the piston speeds with our long stroke and high RPM...Destroking will allow the use of shelf rods...If I stay with the Stroke and rpm, My potential for more HP is there but the rod would have to be crazy...
APPLICATION is the key......
Budget....
RPM......
Stroke.....
How good your tuner is......will determine how over-built things need to be...
Howard
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Re: (AR Fab)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AR Fab »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Bolt Failure.....thats it period....
I have seen over 850whp on the dyno with the Eagles...then 10 passes later poof!.......
Exchange them for Olivers same thing......
Cunnigham same thing......
At first I believed everyone saying that the Eagles wouldnt stay together...so I changed up twice.....same results...the rod bolt failed in every case...
I sent out one of each Eagle/Oliver/Cunningham....that didnt break.... each had bolt fatigue...(to an independant place)...
Later discussions we found that our stroke combo and rpm was causing the problem.....I need 7/16" rod bolts....which will require a big end rod design change....This is due to the piston speeds with our long stroke and high RPM...Destroking will allow the use of shelf rods...If I stay with the Stroke and rpm, My potential for more HP is there but the rod would have to be crazy...
APPLICATION is the key......
Budget....
RPM......
Stroke.....
How good your tuner is......will determine how over-built things need to be...
Howard
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Bolt Failure.....thats it period....
I have seen over 850whp on the dyno with the Eagles...then 10 passes later poof!.......
Exchange them for Olivers same thing......
Cunnigham same thing......
At first I believed everyone saying that the Eagles wouldnt stay together...so I changed up twice.....same results...the rod bolt failed in every case...
I sent out one of each Eagle/Oliver/Cunningham....that didnt break.... each had bolt fatigue...(to an independant place)...
Later discussions we found that our stroke combo and rpm was causing the problem.....I need 7/16" rod bolts....which will require a big end rod design change....This is due to the piston speeds with our long stroke and high RPM...Destroking will allow the use of shelf rods...If I stay with the Stroke and rpm, My potential for more HP is there but the rod would have to be crazy...
APPLICATION is the key......
Budget....
RPM......
Stroke.....
How good your tuner is......will determine how over-built things need to be...
Howard
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Re: (Mpir3)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you really need pauters for 260whp? 
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No, but some people like the piece of mind. Take my friend for example. He has a GSR, he wants to boost it, 280-320whp, I keep telling him, "Just stick with the stock bottem end, there good to like 370whp, pretty reliably. Just put a good tune on it." But to no avail. He thinks he NEEDS some forged internals, and not just any, he needs the best most expensive ones.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is correct but what you don't hear is what happens 2 weeks later when they fail.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I would love to see the pix of the broken Pauter if you can post it or e-mail it to me. I think if the story came out, it would probably be from the effect of something else breaking first and causing the damage to the Pauter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I bet you would find the same thing about eagles.
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No, but some people like the piece of mind. Take my friend for example. He has a GSR, he wants to boost it, 280-320whp, I keep telling him, "Just stick with the stock bottem end, there good to like 370whp, pretty reliably. Just put a good tune on it." But to no avail. He thinks he NEEDS some forged internals, and not just any, he needs the best most expensive ones.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is correct but what you don't hear is what happens 2 weeks later when they fail.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I would love to see the pix of the broken Pauter if you can post it or e-mail it to me. I think if the story came out, it would probably be from the effect of something else breaking first and causing the damage to the Pauter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I bet you would find the same thing about eagles.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you really need pauters for 260whp?
I dont' get it, you push these pauter's and hate on eagle rods yet run a freaking jonny racecar intercooler...i dont' get it..</TD></TR></TABLE>
who the **** said i was done tuning? and the johnny race car 8in intercooler has hit over 500 horsepower.
so before you start talking **** , you need to get your **** strait.
and comparing an intercooler to a rod just shows how ignorant you are.
I dont' get it, you push these pauter's and hate on eagle rods yet run a freaking jonny racecar intercooler...i dont' get it..</TD></TR></TABLE>
who the **** said i was done tuning? and the johnny race car 8in intercooler has hit over 500 horsepower.
so before you start talking **** , you need to get your **** strait.
and comparing an intercooler to a rod just shows how ignorant you are.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
who the **** said i was done tuning? and the johnny race car 8in intercooler has hit over 500 horsepower.
so before you start talking **** , you need to get your **** strait.
and comparing an intercooler to a rod just shows how ignorant you are.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its a still economy tube and fin core hacked down with entanks welded on it...Decent deal for $200 bux but anyone could construct something similar for cheaper. And wheres the 500whp dyno's? how are larger, bar and plate garrett cores (some of the BEST out there) rated less than 500whp?
no **** talking...your not even making enough power to break stock rods...what gives you the authority to say eagles are ****...if your talking from experience i'll listen but your just repeating **** earl fed you..
who the **** said i was done tuning? and the johnny race car 8in intercooler has hit over 500 horsepower.
so before you start talking **** , you need to get your **** strait.
and comparing an intercooler to a rod just shows how ignorant you are.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its a still economy tube and fin core hacked down with entanks welded on it...Decent deal for $200 bux but anyone could construct something similar for cheaper. And wheres the 500whp dyno's? how are larger, bar and plate garrett cores (some of the BEST out there) rated less than 500whp?
no **** talking...your not even making enough power to break stock rods...what gives you the authority to say eagles are ****...if your talking from experience i'll listen but your just repeating **** earl fed you..
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Re: (Boostage)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostage »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
There was a story with it, I dont quite remember but I will try to get pics today.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeh.. ive seen that rod...ill see if i can get in touch with him to find out.
There was a story with it, I dont quite remember but I will try to get pics today.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeh.. ive seen that rod...ill see if i can get in touch with him to find out.
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Re: Pauter vs eagle (ek9t)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek9t »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i know people have used eagles on race motors as well... i remember bein at the track before... saw a block with an eagle stickin out of it next to angela's trailor and the block in jj's car had a rod also stickin out the side of it... (not 100% on jj's as to if it was an eagle but as far as i can remember it was...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Haha, I remember that day! I was standing there with you. They were both running eagle rods. Poor honda blocks...
i know people have used eagles on race motors as well... i remember bein at the track before... saw a block with an eagle stickin out of it next to angela's trailor and the block in jj's car had a rod also stickin out the side of it... (not 100% on jj's as to if it was an eagle but as far as i can remember it was...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Haha, I remember that day! I was standing there with you. They were both running eagle rods. Poor honda blocks...
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Re: (Mpir3)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its a still economy tube and fin core hacked down with entanks welded on it...Decent deal for $200 bux but anyone could construct something similar for cheaper. And wheres the 500whp dyno's? how are larger, bar and plate garrett cores (some of the BEST out there) rated less than 500whp?
no **** talking...your not even making enough power to break stock rods...what gives you the authority to say eagles are ****...if your talking from experience i'll listen but your just repeating **** earl fed you..</TD></TR></TABLE>
i threw the caps off an eagle rod in a b16 all motor car i had , professionly built. i will never use eagles again.
no **** talking...your not even making enough power to break stock rods...what gives you the authority to say eagles are ****...if your talking from experience i'll listen but your just repeating **** earl fed you..</TD></TR></TABLE>
i threw the caps off an eagle rod in a b16 all motor car i had , professionly built. i will never use eagles again.
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Re: (Hella_JDM)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its funny , type in eagle rod and see how many people are looking for 1 eagle rod , i wonder why that is lol.....
typed in pauter rod and didnt see anything.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Maybe because the ratio of Eagle rod owners and Pauter rod owners is like 10000:1
You see, the more people run the same parts, the more they appear to fail. I see way more blown up turbo civics in my area than blown up turbo Integras. Does that mean Integras are more reliable?
It doesn't have to be the rod themselves that fail either... Anything in the bottom-end that grenades for whatever reason will potentially ruin the rods and everything else. So the more people running these Eagle rods, the more chance that they will have a broken rod from whatever reason that caused their motor failure.
Eagle rods are fine if you used them in the right apps. I would agree with AR Fab with his statements. Choose your rods accordingly... don't expect miracles.
You do not need anything stronger than Eagles for 260-350WHP. The Eagles are already enough for a peace of mind considering that guys are pushing those same numbers on completely stock internals.
Don't worry, I have nothing against you; I am also a fellow Pauter rod owner I just want to let you know why you see more Eagle rod failures than Pauter.
typed in pauter rod and didnt see anything.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Maybe because the ratio of Eagle rod owners and Pauter rod owners is like 10000:1
You see, the more people run the same parts, the more they appear to fail. I see way more blown up turbo civics in my area than blown up turbo Integras. Does that mean Integras are more reliable?
It doesn't have to be the rod themselves that fail either... Anything in the bottom-end that grenades for whatever reason will potentially ruin the rods and everything else. So the more people running these Eagle rods, the more chance that they will have a broken rod from whatever reason that caused their motor failure.
Eagle rods are fine if you used them in the right apps. I would agree with AR Fab with his statements. Choose your rods accordingly... don't expect miracles.
You do not need anything stronger than Eagles for 260-350WHP. The Eagles are already enough for a peace of mind considering that guys are pushing those same numbers on completely stock internals.
Don't worry, I have nothing against you; I am also a fellow Pauter rod owner
I just want to let you know why you see more Eagle rod failures than Pauter.
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Re: (Tony the Tiger)
i know alot of people that run pauters....ive never herd of a rod failure from pauter . ive seen bent pauters from a destroyed motor , but the rod didnt fail......i have yet to see a pauter rod let go and it be determined that the rod was the weakest link.
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Re: (earl)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
This is correct but what you don't hear is what happens 2 weeks later when they fail. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No offense earl but I've ran eagles all last year, made mulitple 500whp pulls on
them and drive around dailey at 400hwhp with 0 problems.....I mean if
someone wants to give me pauters I'll take em but I'm not worried with what
I have.
This is correct but what you don't hear is what happens 2 weeks later when they fail. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No offense earl but I've ran eagles all last year, made mulitple 500whp pulls on
them and drive around dailey at 400hwhp with 0 problems.....I mean if
someone wants to give me pauters I'll take em but I'm not worried with what
I have.
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No offense earl but I've ran eagles all last year, made mulitple 500whp pulls on
them and drive around dailey at 400hwhp with 0 problems.....I mean if
someone wants to give me pauters I'll take em but I'm not worried with what
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what bolts? how high do u rev?
No offense earl but I've ran eagles all last year, made mulitple 500whp pulls on
them and drive around dailey at 400hwhp with 0 problems.....I mean if
someone wants to give me pauters I'll take em but I'm not worried with what
I have.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what bolts? how high do u rev?
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Re: (Hella_JDM)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">new eagles or old?
how often do you boost and how high do you rev?</TD></TR></TABLE>
from his dyno graph posted on boosted-hybrid.com he's revving to about 8400 or so, and judging by his previous statements and signature it looks like he's hitting boost quite frequently.
and his rods (going by the thread on b-h.com) are the 5/16" bolts.
http://www.boosted-hybrid.com/viewtopic.php?t=462
how often do you boost and how high do you rev?</TD></TR></TABLE>
from his dyno graph posted on boosted-hybrid.com he's revving to about 8400 or so, and judging by his previous statements and signature it looks like he's hitting boost quite frequently.
and his rods (going by the thread on b-h.com) are the 5/16" bolts.
http://www.boosted-hybrid.com/viewtopic.php?t=462
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FYI, I spoke with Eagle earlier this year about rod bolts. I was told they switched sizes because market demand was for the bigger bolts. Not an engineering decision according to Eagle, strictly marketing. Interpret as you wish.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostage »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
what bolts? how high do u rev?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the 5/16 bolts and I rev to about 8400 rpms.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">new eagles or old?
how often do you boost and how high do you rev?</TD></TR></TABLE>
See above and I boost every single chance I get....
what bolts? how high do u rev?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the 5/16 bolts and I rev to about 8400 rpms.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">new eagles or old?
how often do you boost and how high do you rev?</TD></TR></TABLE>
See above and I boost every single chance I get....
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by acy76 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FYI, I spoke with Eagle earlier this year about rod bolts. I was told they switched sizes because market demand was for the bigger bolts. Not an engineering decision according to Eagle, strictly marketing. Interpret as you wish.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ive herd that before as well . im sure it was marketing , they are marketing to people who wont buy their old rods lol....
ive herd that before as well . im sure it was marketing , they are marketing to people who wont buy their old rods lol....