Pauter b16 bolts are 5/16 whats the difference between those and the 5/16 that came with eagles? I know eagle now comes standard with 3/8 but I have the originals.

 

its not the bolts its the end caps that fail on the eagle.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its not the bolts its the end caps that fail on the eagle.

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who can confirm this?

 

Just for arguements sake, if its their end caps that fail why are they going up a size in rod bolts as a standard now?

 

if its not . then why are pauters considered one of the best rod makers , and use a 5/16th bolt .

 

i have eagle rods in my sleeved block., i want manley's

 

The new b16 Pauters now have 3/8" bolts...not because they were needed but I really think it was just peer pressure. The b16's were not failing with the 5/16" bolts and were made that way to save weight. There is a lot more that goes into a design of a rod cap that makes them work other than just the size of the bolt. The design of the area around the bolt is critical to life. Also the grain of the metal in the cap must flow in the opposite direction than it does in the upper half of the rod. This wastes more metal and is much more complicated to machine. Just a couple of the reasons why some rods cost more than others.

 

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yep pauters use 5/16 on thier b16 rods and i will use them over eagle any day.

 

**** they use them on their d16 rods too , i love my pauters.....so glad i didnt go with eagle.

 

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Why answer a question with a question?

 

because i can.

 

eagle older ones, had that problem. there new style rods are fucken GREAT, and I am going with them, good bang for the buck + as of late, anit nothing but good been said about them.

 

the only thing new about them is the rod bolt size. im still not too impressed with eagle rods.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the only thing new about them is the rod bolt size. im still not too impressed with eagle rods.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why because your friends friends friends sisters boyfriend motor blew up with them?

Eagles are fine I dont know when people will ever realize this.

 

earl , how are eagle rods

i dont like them because of all the failures , all those people that have eagle rod failures didnt install them wrong or statisticly youd have all kinds of rods failing . they are ok rods , but i wouldnt trust them with alot of horsepower.

 

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Why because your friends friends friends sisters boyfriend motor blew up with them?

Eagles are fine I dont know when people will ever realize this. </TD></TR></TABLE>

the old eagles with those little bolts were garbage... plain and simple... iv seen so many of them break its not even funny

 

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the old eagles with those little bolts were garbage... plain and simple... iv seen so many of them break its not even funny</TD></TR></TABLE>

Clearly

The focus of the discussion however was the new bolts.

 

There are plenty of people making 500+ on eagles...so I'll save my money on buying overpriced rods and just use my eagles and use the extra money on something good.

98% of the people on this board can get away with using eagles. Yes on a full race motor I would use a Manley or a Pauter. But seriously. the average power people are putting down on this forum is 240-300whp.

Hell I am going for a 400whp project. Eagles work fine. People that bash that can spend the extra money, not my wallet

 

and when your motor grenades its self from an eagle rod , youll end up spending more money than you would have if you had bought pauters

 

Dont turn my thread into a pissing contest. but for the record I HAVE seen a pauter rod broken in two peices and the owner still has it, I can have a picture taken. regardless of this I am still interested in pauters because I have been reading up on how much work goes into them.

They all can fail and no one sells more rods in a year than eagle so that could be why we hear so much about them. i.e more chances of bad installation. anyway the reason I made this thread is because I have a second motor that I want to build up to rev high and the X beam design of pauters allow less windage loss.I will try to get that pic soon.

 

i have yet to see someone come foward with pics of videos of a eagle snapping and destroying the engine, when it has been profesionally installed by someone that knew what they were doing , and we know that the proper clearances were taken and the proper bolt tq sequence was followed with a bolt stretch gauge

i say the cases where it broke, it must have been due to improper instalation or the previous bolt size

theres more stress on a rod bolt than the actual end cap

 

i love how some of you guys say, I love my pauters.....How the hell can you feel the difference between pauters and eagles. Pauters are stronger...everybody knows this....Plenty of people have hit over 500whp with eagles...

Like any other product, if you need the stronger part, spend some more, If you don't.... don't spend some more....I dont see the need for debate on this one.

As far as the quality of craftmanship, has anyone ever had a problem with the eagles other than shear stress breaking them?

 

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do you really need pauters for 260whp?

I dont' get it, you push these pauter's and hate on eagle rods yet run a freaking jonny racecar intercooler...i dont' get it..

 

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do you really need pauters for 260whp?

I dont' get it, you push these pauter's and hate on eagle rods yet run a freaking jonny racecar intercooler...i dont' get it..</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol no fighting children. ..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hella_JDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">earl , how are eagle rods

i dont like them because of all the failures , all those people that have eagle rod failures didnt install them wrong or statisticly youd have all kinds of rods failing . they are ok rods , but i wouldnt trust them with alot of horsepower.</TD></TR></TABLE> I think the major complaint with early Eagles was the bolt failure. I just hope they redesigned the area AROUND the bolt as well as installing the larger bolt. If they did not redesign, the Eagles will be prone to spin bearings rather than break bolts. The area around the bolt is critical to the quality rod and this is the last spot that most people consider. Even with the new bolt, I still would not trust the in the area of 400whp and 9000 rpms or so.
BTW, do not believe anything you hear from Eagle tech help. They will tell you it is a 900hp rod. Complete idiots.