hahah, this is getting more messed up... omahaturbocivic, you say they're roughly equivalent?

Batronix is located in Germany so shipping would be complicated at the least.. I'd rather get a Willem shipped to my door and forget the GB if it's simpler and equivalent prices (or even a little more expensive).

If anyone's wondering the rates are $17.50 USD for 500g shipped from Germany to the US or Canada. $9.50 for each additional 500g. I've emailed Batronix about the weight of their units.

 

i got my batronix burner for like $80 shipped to my door.

 

It is for the batronix burner. It is normally 98, but if you buy 5-19 is is only 68.

here is hte linke

http://www.progshop.com/shop/p...shtml

it is the first one listed uner "low cost programmer"
it says you need a power supply and a serial cable, I could also package those in the groub buy. I am not trying to make money here or anything like that. I just want to get one for 68 bucks. If I can find 4 more people I will get this started ASAP (like today or tomorrow). I just need to find out what is necessary for a power supply and the cheapest solution to that. I can get serial cables for it for a couple dollars to make this easier.

 

hmm, well I wanna make sure I'm gonna get everything I need in this group buy. by "power supply and serial cable" they mean a power source like 12v or ac or something? and then for serial cable, I guess I could use a parallel port printer cable?

 

You guys could get the kit for a bit cheaper, if you don't mind soldering.

 

My personal experience with the batronics was horrible.. It's now a paper weight. I now use the http://www.xtronics.com/memory/EPROM.htmprogrammer which is the same that hondata uses. This programmer is perfect. Comes with the adapter and software. It's also at least $20 cheaper than buying it from hondata.


Modified by dabrown at 2:41 PM 9/24/2003

 

I suck at soldering and a lot of people aren't good at it. Plus for 5 units its only 12 dollars cheaper to get the unassembled kit.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a power supply?

I can't find anything cheap on radio shack's webside. I work at bestbuy so I'm guessing i can find something there i can hack up and make work. I'll look next time I work which is on friday and see if I can find a suitable sub 10 dollar solution incase nobody else has a solution.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dabrown &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My personal experience with the batronics was horrible.. It's now a paper weight. I now use the http://www.xtronics.com programmer which is the same that hondata uses. This programmer is perfect. Comes with the adapter and software. It's also at least $20 cheaper than buying it from hondata. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Can you elaborate?

BTW, the xtronics isn't exactly bullet proof. But they have made improvements with the new one, or so I hear.

 

Well.... hmmm....

I tried following your steps, but now I have nothing in the extended map both low and hi.

So what is the boost controller option, maybe I am just not getting it right.

Thanks for all the help.

 

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I can't think of why its not working for you.

Try this: close the editor, open it again, load bin, and start over. I have no clue why it doesn't work for you, it works for everyone else.

works fine for me.

1. Set boost ignition retard to 1.0
2. Change fuel avg effi. to 120%
Those give you the extended maps, so I do them first.
3. Select entire table (Low & Hi) & change by multilier of x where x= (240/NewInjectorSize*100)+5

 

Yep, i'm with Omahaturbocivic on this one. Willems isnt THAT hard to use (with a little help).
I got mine from ebay and it was a Professional job. Looked great. He also included a CD with lots of programs and info on it. I can dig up the guys ebay name if anyone wants it...

 

Please do

Willem at your door = $60 (as per this link)
Batronix with group buy then shipped after = $70

I'd rather go Willem for the price

 

my head's spinning again, haha. I'm new to all this burner stuff. All I wanna do is get everything I need for to run Uberdata, at a decent price and have it work well.

What's the bottom line to that?

I'm only a maybe on the group buy now, with all these people saying batronix might not be the best way to go. I need something simple that will be able to hook up to my computer and a power source easily.

 

OK this sounds better now. Cool. Now what do we do for a power supply?

 

OK bottom line:

Batronix is located in Germany. Any GB organizer would have to ship the units from Germany and the cost would be split by the people who bought in. The cost would be $17.50/5 = about $4 USD + $68 = $72. That's if we find 5 people who will buy (so far we're at 3), and if anyone's wanting to collect overhead, it's more. Then you have to add the shipping charges to your door - probably about $3, so $75.

The Willem boards for sale are located in Canada. No GB organizer needed as it's an eBay purchase and there's 7 available - you can buy them for $54. Shipping is something like $9 USD. That's $63.

To me it seems clear that Willems is the better buy. They both require power sources + parallel port cables, and they'd both require boxing up or mounting safely. The Willems is harder to set up and requires a little modification to handle 29c256 chips, but I'm willing to solder one wire to save $12 USD.

hoggy, if you read the eBay link R6Elmo posted (the same link's in my post above) the seller of the Willems boards provides a power supply for $4 USD (and additional shipping charges due to weight). So that's the power supply issue solved.

I think we're all in agreement here - we should get the Willems boards.

 

What you need to run this is:

Uberdata (free)
A computer/laptop ($$$$)
Burner/Reader ($60-$250)
29c256 chip (under $10)
Various Resistors/sockets/chips (to chip the ecu) (less than $10)

A honda

Danny

 

Disregard post...


Modified by ion_four at 8:10 PM 9/24/2003

 

Slash,

The batronix was almost $100 assembled without the ac adapter and cable which is an old style printer(parellel) cable. The printer cable will run you an additional $10. It would not write all of the bytes when burning chips. It would basicly error out 99% of the time. The support forum on the site sucks, they never answered my questions. So I purchased the pocketprogrammer for $149.95. It's a little expensive but it worked right out of the box and included the adapter and serial cable. My comparison is only for the batronix, not any other pogrammers.

 

Computer/ Laptop...arggghh

 

By saying the Willems is harder to set-up and requires some modification to accept the chips, what exactly do you mean? I wanna make sure I understand what this all entails, so that I can decide if I'll be able to do the extra work to the burner myself. I've never used a soldering iron before.

 

this might have been covered in the thread and i missed it, but how do you tune cell's that are above 8900rpm, my motor makes power to 9900rpm...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dabrown &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Slash,

The batronix was almost $100 assembled without the ac adapter and cable which is an old style printer(parellel) cable. The printer cable will run you an additional $10. It would not write all of the bytes when burning chips. It would basicly error out 99% of the time. The support forum on the site sucks, they never answered my questions. So I purchased the pocketprogrammer for $149.95. It's a little expensive but it worked right out of the box and included the adapter and serial cable. My comparison is only for the batronix, not any other pogrammers. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That sucks, maybe some of your components got damaged by electro-static discharge.

How is the xtronics working out? I was looking at that also, but decided to go with this They went out of their way to help me with my order, so, to me, their service is top notch.

 

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I'm sorry, I should have clarified... Getting my IMs and posts mixed up

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by omahaturbocivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(10:57 AM 9/24/2003) omahaturbocivic: Its very similar to the batronix. They both connect through a parralel port and require a 12v adapter and look very similar as well. They may support different varieties of chips but for our purposes they both support all the chips

(10:59 AM 9/24/2003) omahaturbocivic: Setting up the jumpers right and installing the 29c256 chip at first is weird because you have to install a jumper wire but I made a pic of what to do that takes the confusion away.</TD></TR></TABLE>

omaha, it would be very much appreciated by everyone here if you posted the picture . If you don't have hosting I can throw it up somewhere for you temporarily.

 

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I second that. I can put the rev limit to 10k rpm but I see no additional cells. Frightening as it is, I presume that right now using a BIN with a rev limit at 10k and this map would use the same timing/fuel at 9k as at 10k.

Blake?

 

The xtronics is great... I wanted the USB programmer that you purchased however I thought the other one would have worked. The only thing that I miss about the batronix is the software. With the batronix you are able to read eeproms, I have not found that option with the xtronics as of yet..