got IMs and posts mixed up - does that mean the Willems does not require modification to accept the chips and is just as easy at the batronix to set-up? Sorry, think we had a communication breakdown there.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by untensadude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">got IMs and posts mixed up - does that mean the Willems does not require modification to accept the chips and is just as easy at the batronix to set-up? Sorry, think we had a communication breakdown there.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The Willems requires modification to read the 29c256 chips as per omahaturbocivic.

HTH

 

hmm, you guys think I'll be able to modify the burner to accept the chips, even if I'm not experinced at soldering? Can't be too tough right?


edit: I'm heading out to work, but will be back tonight to check on this, etc.


Modified by untensadude at 2:59 PM 9/24/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by untensadude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmm, you guys think I'll be able to modify the burner to accept the chips, even if I'm not experinced at soldering? Can't be too tough right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I will reserve judgement until omahaturbocivic posts the explanatory picture From what he said it seems to me you just add a wire and set the jumpers to accept the 29c256 chip. After that's done you're free to use it. If you're that worried any TV repair shop or what have you will be able to solder a wire on. You could probably have them socket the ECU you plan on using while you're at it

 

It does not require any actual modification, it requires you add a jumper wire but all that means is you carefully stick it in the zif socket with the chip. You could hardwire a jumper or even switch to the board to make it more permanent but that is not totally necessary. Heres how the 28 pin chip insterts into the socket 32pin socket with the jumper wire.

Just use a piece of wire or leg off a resistor or sumthing thats about the same size as the legs on the eprom so they both make good contact otherwise you could have write errors(I had problems with this at first when using to thick of wire). Make sure to set all the jumpers as it says in the diagram and you are ready to burn.

Modified by omahaturbocivic at 3:03 PM 9/24/2003


Modified by omahaturbocivic at 3:07 PM 9/24/2003

 

so yah what u do bout the fuel map for people reving up to 10k plus? really need to know????
also were can i get a type r map ? and it says that all the maps are based off of 240 cc injectors . arnt all b series vtec motors 270? or atleast the 1.8?

 

Anybody else intrested in a group buy for the
Batronix USB Chip Programmer
http://www.progshop.com/shop/p...shtml

I like the features it has and because it is self powered through a USB port.

normally 248.00 .. but if 3 get in on it then it will drop to 196.04...plus s+h

I'll be wiling to get it for the lower price or even willing to host the g+b for nothing if anybodys intrested ...

 

**** the usb one its so much money. just get the regular one... i paid like 60 for mine plus 15 for the prog studio software. then you need a power supply which is like 20.

sam

 

omahacivic-turbo. I can't see the pictures. All i see is the big red x.

On ebay, the guy is selling two different versions of the williem burner. One has the zif socket, and the other doesnn't IS the zif socket worth it for the extra 8 bucks?

Danny

 

heres some more burners http://www.ustr.net/epromer5/index.shtml I have the Epromer5 that i am not using. its 114$ on the site + shipping and somone can take mine for 100$ shipped.



Modified by hulkhb at 10:58 PM 9/24/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by racerboyb18c1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also were can i get a type r map ? and it says that all the maps are based off of 240 cc injectors . arnt all b series vtec motors 270? or atleast the 1.8?</TD></TR></TABLE>

All b-series motors use 240cc injectors. Even the ITR i believe.

 

 

so the ecu's just compansate for more fuel by uping the duty cycle?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by racerboyb18c1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so the ecu's just compansate for more fuel by uping the duty cycle?
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You should be running much larger injectors so you are actually lowering the duty cycle to control the larger injectors. The stock honda fuel map is extended to control fuel under boost and vaccuum.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raene &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I second that. I can put the rev limit to 10k rpm but I see no additional cells. Frightening as it is, I presume that right now using a BIN with a rev limit at 10k and this map would use the same timing/fuel at 9k as at 10k.

Blake?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes, the ecu will clip the rpm values at the last rpm entry. However, your peak torque will most likely be around 7000, and the fuel required after that drops down or levels out, so its not as bad as you think. The only bad thing is, you need to advance igniton with rpm, and u cant really do that, so u will lose a TAD of power from being slightly retarded. There is nothing you can do about it in the LS, as that is the most u can get w/out re-writing the rpm formulas.

 

ok so if im runnin a motor that has cams witha power band from 7-11 k what would i do for timming ? and what ur saying is that the fuel map will auto maticly be smoothed out even though it wont show?i really am building this so i want to know for sure before i burn chip and blow u know lol

 

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However, your peak torque will most likely be around 7000, and the fuel required after that drops down or levels out, so its not as bad as you think. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Peak torque for me is 7600 rpm.

I don't really need to increase the rev limiter by any significant amount - I'd like to bump it up about 300 to avoid accidentally hitting it at the track & killing my run - but this really hurts users with, say, Type R cams or anything larger!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by racerboyb18c1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok so if im runnin a motor that has cams witha power band from 7-11 k what would i do for timming ? and what ur saying is that the fuel map will auto maticly be smoothed out even though it wont show?i really am building this so i want to know for sure before i burn chip and blow u know lol </TD></TR></TABLE>

Whatever is in the highest rpm values(8976 rpm for the gsr) for timing and fuel is what it will use for anything above that. Whatever timing you want to run at your redline is what you will have to put in at 8976 which on the downside will possibly be a little conservative at 8976 but will work. Fuel should not be as much trouble, you will just want to make sure it does not get any leaner above 8976 and if it does richen it up at 8976. It may not be perfect but its very good considering its free.

 

i have found info for the car on the zip package that was hosted on pgmfi.org and posted by : TR-O

in its txt file it says : 209 EUR P30 Civic B16A DOHC Vtec
but the bin issnt included in the zip package. can some one send or host me a bin that wil work with European Civic VTi B16A2 DOHC Vtec in combination with uberdata ??

Or can someone explane to me how i can do it myself.


Modified by toxicshit at 11:40 PM 9/24/2003

 

How are you guys going to handle desoldering task? $400 seems like alot to just get started.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mac8008 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How are you guys going to handle desoldering task? $400 seems like alot to just get started. </TD></TR></TABLE>

WTF are you complaining about! Damn, free tunable engine management software and some people still complain.

And "a lot" is two words!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mac8008 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How are you guys going to handle desoldering task? $400 seems like alot to just get started. </TD></TR></TABLE>

OK, if a turbo alone costs $750 USD, how is $400 CDN expensive...?

 

im a little confused, i just opend my stock p75 and took a look at it, all the places where i need to add things, like the socket and jumpers, there is nothing there. So what exactly do i have to desolder?

Rob

edit: i cant spell


Modified by rjardy at 6:15 PM 9/24/2003

 

http://www.pgmfi.org tells you what you need to do.

 

i cant seem to navigate that site to easily. But i think that everyone is talking about desoldering the empty foot prints. I think i got a handle on this. thanks

Rob