Not to be a smartass, but I've never ever seen anyone with an Autronic make this kind of post........

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=650650

 

That one of the things I hated about the AEM, you have to set alot of things. With just about every other ecu, things are already set and calibrated.
Accel DFI Gen 7

 

Motec truthfully cause of the cost issue autronic as well

 

bump this up for more info.


will an aem ems have any trouble idling 4 1600cc injectors (alcohol) will be running 8 total

5 bar map compatable?

and also can this be run "distributerless" ?

 

5bar - yes
distributorless - yes
8 injectors - yes

This is from the AEM website regarding the injectors:

The AEM EMS features 10 sequential fuel injector drivers. Any injector can be configured to fire in any order at any time. Also, any injector can be configured to run as a fully sequential Staged injector of any size. No shortcuts here, the staged injectors are fully sequential and you can define exactly how much fuel they deliver via a 357 point Load/RPM table.

As far as idle quality, I don't really know You can also try the http://www.aempower.com forum for more specific info.

Good luck.

 

anyone know if the prices that efiguy stated are still the same?

 

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https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=650650

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efiguy... the reason you never see any posts like that from autotronic users is because people that buy autotronic actually understand what they are doing and arent getting way over their head... its aem's fault for marketing this as something that any moron can setup. also did you even read the post, the problem was of course due to shitty wiring, not the ems.

i have setup and tuned countless ems's with few problems caused by the ems itself. faulty wiring and crappy builds/swaps that people that use autotronic wouldnt have to deal with because they actually know whats going on.

aem base cals are setup to run a stock car, if the car is stock all you have to do is set the timing and tps. thats what the aem is designed for.... if you cant deal with setting up a few sensors when you need more than stock then you need to rethink what you are doing with your car.

 

Anyone who thinks that people who buy Autronics know what they are doing is obviously not in a position to make that call.

If you were to see the amount of technical support that goes on for Autronics, you would know that its no different than any other brand of ECU. Dumb people buy stuff everywhere you go.

Unfortunately, most people only ever consider buying an Autronic unit over another brand because of its price. Its just abonus when they find out that it actually is superior.

The Autronic unit {even thoug it seems quite simple to use} is actually way more complex than 90% of the people in the entire world {already using it} even realize. Its because all of the imprtant things have been done for the user behind the scenes that it continuously delivers outstanding performance and ease of use.

No amount of quality in the ECU can make up for a poor wire harness job, or a fundamental lack of understanding of how to program a standalone, regadless of brand name.

 

"anyone know if the prices that efiguy stated are still the same?"

Unfortunately, No. They have gone up significantly.

Autronic feels that by pricing the units too low they are inadvertantly competeing with all the lower end systems out there, when based on engine control quality their real competitors are EFI Technology and Motec.

Look, I don't want ot be in a pissing contest with anyone who hasn't spent a significant amount of time on the dyno tuning engines with these three systems, {Motec, EFI, Autronic} but if you want to really see why Autronic is better, come on down and lets get on the dyno, and I'll teach you the reality of it. Why argue? Lets prove it....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bomber &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">5bar - yes
distributorless - yes
8 injectors - yes

This is from the AEM website regarding the injectors:

The AEM EMS features 10 sequential fuel injector drivers. Any injector can be configured to fire in any order at any time. Also, any injector can be configured to run as a fully sequential Staged injector of any size. No shortcuts here, the staged injectors are fully sequential and you can define exactly how much fuel they deliver via a 357 point Load/RPM table.

As far as idle quality, I don't really know You can also try the http://www.aempower.com forum for more specific info.

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thanks bomber


does anyone know if the aem will have any problems driving HUGE injectors down, to be able to idle the car.

my speed-pro seems to have a hard time driving the 160's down, and getting it to idle at a decent rpm.

also, is it possible to use the nitrous controls to turn on a second set of injectors at a specified rpm/map location?

 

I think this argument has been summed up pretty well above...

The AEM being more affordable and widely availble, tends to have more people who just don't know how to properly use it. With the pricing being how it is, it tends to attract people who want standalone performance on a DIY budget and setup, which tends to not make the greatest combo sometimes and alot of the problems get blamed on the EMS.

The market and pricing for the Autronic unit alot higher end and it seems most people who purchase it know a thing or two about what there doing/getting into, and they tend to go on cars that are of a higer quality and mechanicaly sound. Or atleast have the money to bring it to a shop and get it tuned properly.

These of course are just my opinion based on the experiences I have had and observed with each system. Take that for what it's worth.

Also I run the AEM and it does what I want it to do, and the price was in my range, so for me it was a good option. But after attending EFI101 this weekend I was really impressed by the Autronic system and may give it a try on my next project if the budget allows for it...

 

ECU-882. Not that big in the import market, but its one of the best stand alone sytems out there. If you would like more info, I can provide it for you. There is the link to the site on my sig....

 

As much as all of us like to sit on here and defend the system we use and downtalk the ones we don't use, you really don't get the true feel of a systems worth till you have used it extensively. Alot of stuff out there looks good on paper but when you use it you figure out the ins and outs of everything. Its like when you see a car it may look good but the owner of 3 yrs can tell you each and every little problem it has. But if you listen to Ben, you are listening to a guy who probably has more experience then any other tuner in our industry w/ the in an out's of each system.

 

Thanks Chris,

While I really think there are lots of tuners out there who are more skilled than me, and definately some guys who are just plain smarter...there is a lot to be said for hands on experience.

The bottom line is this:

I have WAY over 4,000 hours of EFI specific tuning on the DYNO.....lots of time at the track, and even some street tuning..{which I hate to admit}. Thats not counting the dyno time spent on engine tuning without EFI, or engine development project testing.

I've had the opportuninty to try a lot of different combinations of products, especially different brands of EFI, and I can essentially become a dealer for any product I want. I choose Autronic not because of price, but quite simply because I challenge anyone to find an ECU that can control an engine more accurately at any price point anywhere in the world.

I'm open minded about it too. Just show me the data. Leave the oppinions at home. If you can't give me a real life comparison, please don't waste my time.

Man, I sound like a dick!

 

just curious, r u coming to texas next year to host a class?....i know there were talks about it.

 

yes we are looking at doing EFI 101 & Advanced in both Dallas/FT Worth area, and Houston if possible.

Stay tuned to http://www.efi101.com for more details

 

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Unfortunately, No. They have gone up significantly.

Autronic feels that by pricing the units too low they are inadvertantly competeing with all the lower end systems out there, when based on engine control quality their real competitors are EFI Technology and Motec.
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Do you mind posting the prices here of the SMC and SM2 for comparison sake? Their website does not list this information.

 

I got an autronic PnP, i assume im one of the few right now actually running it. We are a dealer here in KY. Its an awesome system.!

 

My car's running on Autronic. Cant tell you which is better - Im using it only 2 weeks.Here in Poland there is noone that can program AEM so everybody buy Autronic. I think in US most of tuners know AEM, so on your place I would choose AEM

 

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Howsabout 1680cc/min injectors on both a 2.3l MR2 and a 2.0l Talon, both on 3bar fuel pressure. Cars idle great, start up fine, if not better than stock injectors, and idle at ~900 with a 14.7:1 A/F. Both of these cars were up and running within minutes of loading the basemaps I had written for them. The Autronic list of maps is extensive, but seeing as how both of these cars are not exactly stock, basemaps weren't quite enough. Both of these cars were on gasoline too, not alcohol. All of these cars get 30+ mpg, make plenty of power, and suffer no driveability issues whatsoever. We have had a few bugs here and there, but it always seems its not the Autronic unit failing, it's something on the chassis. Wiring, sensors, etc.

I have tuned a dozen or so Autronic cars, a couple S-AFC's, an AEM or 2, and even an old PMS unit on a turbo Prelude. Personally, I love the Autronic and couldn't imagine running anything but it.

The new Honda PnP board that is out now shows great promise. All of the features of the SMC, packed on a board that fits in a stock ECU casing. It uses all factory sensors except for the map sensor, but the onboard map sensor takes care of that We had wade's car running off of a base map witihin minutes of plugging the board into the stock harness.

The adaptability of the Autronic unit along with the reliability and local tech support is what sold me. It will work with pretty much any sensor, hundreds of injectors, and has never failed me once. :D

-Drag_S13

P.S. Ben, thanks for the help you have provided in getting Wade's board up and running. We should be back soon with some numbers once the new turbo kit goes on.

 

i too was in this situation about getting the EMS or Autronic.

I opted for the AEM EMS because of pricing. The tuner that is goign to tune my car,

I told him im going to get the autronic. He has tons of hours of dyno time, track time and street tuning.

What his response was, lets try something new. So i said hell why not, what do you suggest, he was looking at some stuff, like FAST, EMS, LINKS and came across the AEM EMS. On paper it looks pretty good, but im still putting my car together so didnt tune with the AEM yet.

He has been tuning autronic mainly and me being the guinea pig and saying yes, i got the aem ems.

If it aem ems doesn't work out etc. Im selling it and getting an autronic.

 

why dont we ask art how the autronic is?????

 

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how much can you get them for? pm me