check this **** out.

 

that is super sick, so you use two gaskets? on eon each side of the deck plate? I'm curious cuz it seems like you just took the weak spot out of Honda blocks.

 

so to speak yes....i took the black embossed layer of the head gasket.i
cut the center out and used that.i figured that would be best for sealing
since it was designed for the block.actually that is not a h22 block in the
1st pic.that is a f23a1 block out of a 98 accord w/a 3/4 deck plate.

all the 1st one does is seal the oil and water passages thats it.the sleeves
will be above deck .003 i don't have to tell you what the second hg does.


this is a 2.4L 89mm bore and a 97mm stroke w/a r/s ratio of 1.65


there are a few tricks that have to be done.but nothing to crazy.i just wanted to be different and i guess you could say i have accomplished that.


harv

 

Bad *** setup Harv!!!

The Nitrous/Methanol road is a pain when trying to run large amounts of nitrous per volume. Theres is so much fuel that it tends to start creating oil inflicted detonation. ( fuel washout) It will take larger amounts of boost to help keep the fuel suspended. I did a nitrous setup up on a Niss 2.0L that went 144mph in the 1/4 that ran Methanol on the motor and the nitrous system. But I chalk it up as a failure. After talking with some of the Pro Mod guys and Pat Musi they all said to stay with the petrol its whole lot easier to tune with the larger shots of nitrous.

Nice thread guys!

Dean I think its time to bring up the nitrous bell curve and plug reading at the 330' mark.

 

Russ Hahaha, damn I wish I had that napkin Butch was drawing on the last time, it makes it all so much easier to understand. Speaking of the bell curve and all that. That is another thing that i'm really trying to aid with my new system design. Faster system pressure stabilization. Ugh all this bench racing makes me realize I need to get off my *** and get a prototype going. I spent all day in the garage porting heads and intakes in the name of financing this damn new engine (I'm having a hard time typing because my fingers are numb lol).

Harv, you are going to need a hoodscoop to clear your nitrous system. That's f'n cool lol. Its going to be a tight fit but I should be able to hang that system low enough so that your valvecover is the higest point in the engine bay. We could hang the noids off the back of the intake or underneath (180* bends are cool).

 

sick set up, keep us updated on results....

 

thanks for the info....but i am not gonna be spraying a whole lot on this car.
i won't have to.i am gonna do some more research on this meth deal.i am just wondering how it will react w/small ones say 150 plus turbo...but 30 or
so per cylinder don't seem like much huh?......yeah that's what the mustang guy
thought to.....hehehehe?


speaking of mustangs....i have nothing against them at all.but there is one mustang being built to run against me w/a pro charger.actually he is a good friend and has had this car for yrs....and just sittin in the garage in a million pieces.
like you "DEAN"........SHOULD BE FUN? to me it's not about going fast and winning
althought that does make it all the sweeter.I LIKE TO JUST GET OUT AND HAVE FUN.


as far as bench racing......thats why i got off my *** and put in this monster
yesterday...to get me motivated again and boy did it ever.


harv

 

Harv, you are going to need a hoodscoop to clear your nitrous system. That's f'n cool lol. Its going to be a tight fit but I should be able to hang that system low enough so that your valvecover is the higest point in the engine bay. We could hang the noids off the back of the intake or underneath (180* bends are cool).[/QUOTE]


i will let you know more today on the set up and which way i plan to go.also i just don't have the patience,especially being on well lets just say muscle supplements.


I ALSO APOLOGISE TO EVERYONE FOR GOING OFF THE WAY I DID.........

harv

 

Harv you are making me feel bad man. You are getting all this work done on your car and im just staring at this pile of heads and intakes I need to get finished up and sold. Yes, it literally is a pile lol.

 

thats krazy set-up

 

bump

 

hey man ...i was just reading over this great thread...and i was just wondering what the deck on this block is for...


i was thinking about using a 2stg n20 set up in my track only dragster...but i need some one to build my 2stg kit...i already use a cold fusion 100 shot wet kit...and the holset turbine...

btw Phase Change Racing do you guys do the 2stg kits....or a conversion kit for what i have now???

 

Formby,


Im guessing 1700 is using the deck plate to simulate the torque applied to the block when a head is bolted to it. Torquing the head down stresses the block and usually causes some minor distortion to the cylinders, especially near where the head bolts/studs thread into the block. Doing a final hone on the block with a deck plate after its been torqued on for 24-48 hours will give you a better sealing and more powerful engine in the end. At least thats what I assume 1700 is up to hehe.

As for upgrading you to a dual stage system, its a piece of cake. I am an authorized Cold fusion dealer so I can actually plumb you up with a second stage that will match your first stage. Are you running a single nozzle or direct port now? Either way i'd recomend a direct port setup for the next stage but if you are single nozzle now i'd use that system as the second stage. If you sent me the intake I could add the second stage for $500 so all you have to do is wire it in and hook fuel/nitrous to it. That also includes a couple different tuneups of your choice for whatever power level you are looking for. These are my own tuneups btw, not just regurgitated NOS tunes. Mine tend to me a bit more..... aggressive.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Phase Change Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Formby,


Im guessing 1700 is using the deck plate to simulate the torque applied to the block when a head is bolted to it. Torquing the head down stresses the block and usually causes some minor distortion to the cylinders, especially near where the head bolts/studs thread into the block. Doing a final hone on the block with a deck plate after its been torqued on for 24-48 hours will give you a better sealing and more powerful engine in the end. At least thats what I assume 1700 is up to hehe.

As for upgrading you to a dual stage system, its a piece of cake. I am an authorized Cold fusion dealer so I can actually plumb you up with a second stage that will match your first stage. Are you running a single nozzle or direct port now? Either way i'd recomend a direct port setup for the next stage but if you are single nozzle now i'd use that system as the second stage. If you sent me the intake I could add the second stage for $500 so all you have to do is wire it in and hook fuel/nitrous to it. That also includes a couple different tuneups of your choice for whatever power level you are looking for. These are my own tuneups btw, not just regurgitated NOS tunes. Mine tend to me a bit more..... aggressive. </TD></TR></TABLE>


you are absolutely right dean.i torqued on that plate for 2 days off and on.when i sent it to benson's it was.060 out of spec.so he has plenty of room to do his thing.

that is alot of **** to port and plumb.......good luck w/that.


harv


Modified by 1700anddroping at 3:45 AM 10/27/2005

 

Torque plates are the only way to go. I've herd the nascar boys like to circulate hot water through their blocks while doing the final hone to make an even more accurate "simulation". For me, a couple days with the plates torqued on and some nitrous in the end an im happy.

As for my pile. Most people don't see a 598" BBC sitting there, but I do. I've just got to actually get all this stuff cleaned, plumbed, ported, and sold first. Speaking of my pile, I have 3 GSR intake in it that im working on. Dear god the short runners on that intake neck down after the butterflies! Do people actually race them with the butterfly assembly or do they eliminate the thing in the name of top end power?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Phase Change Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Torque plates are the only way to go. I've herd the nascar boys like to circulate hot water through their blocks while doing the final hone to make an even more accurate "simulation". For me, a couple days with the plates torqued on and some nitrous in the end an im happy.

As for my pile. Most people don't see a 598" BBC sitting there, but I do. I've just got to actually get all this stuff cleaned, plumbed, ported, and sold first. Speaking of my pile, I have 3 GSR intake in it that im working on. Dear god the short runners on that intake neck down after the butterflies! Do people actually race them with the butterfly assembly or do they eliminate the thing in the name of top end power?</TD></TR></TABLE>


i think most of the people eliminate them......i myself take it a step further and cut
most of the inside of the gsr manifold out......and yes this things comes alive on top end.....but w/400 behind...it really has no other choice now does it.hehehe.


harv

 

subscribing, excellent and informative read.

 

Yeah that is mainly what im doing with these GSR intakes. Leaving the butterfly assembly, softening a few of the corners behind the TB and opening up those primary runners after the butterflies. I didn't want to remove much metal on the far side of the runner so I can get the air to turn as much as possible, but thankfully the boys in Japan leave a nice thick section of metal on the short turn radius that can be worked down. Ive got to admit, the new Craftsman Pro die grinder has really surprised me. It really puts the hurt on compared to my old makita.

 

Well since it seems like there are a lot of people hitting this thread in the name of finding some good nitrous info/theory lets kick it up a notch. This is a link to the tech section on my webpage that contains an article called Massmatics written by Butch Schrier. Butch is known as being one of the foremost researchers in the nitrous world having been the head of R&D at NOS for 12 years and at Edlebrock after that. This is fairly long and pretty damn technical but it is absolutely worth reading. Don't feel bad if you have to re-read a lot of it to make sense... I sure as hell did.

http://www.phasechangeracing.com/massmatics.html

Harv, if you read through all of this you will understand why I spend so much time flowing systems on the bench (aside from the fact it smells good).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Phase Change Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah that is mainly what im doing with these GSR intakes. Leaving the butterfly assembly, softening a few of the corners behind the TB and opening up those primary runners after the butterflies. I didn't want to remove much metal on the far side of the runner so I can get the air to turn as much as possible, but thankfully the boys in Japan leave a nice thick section of metal on the short turn radius that can be worked down. Ive got to admit, the new Craftsman Pro die grinder has really surprised me. It really puts the hurt on compared to my old makita.

</TD></TR></TABLE>


i use one of those varible speed dremels and just take my time when i am
cutting the largest part away.my buddy that owns a machine.has what he calls flexible drill bits.it is like a drill bit with a spring on the end of it.i take sanding carthrages different grit and just work down the runners.till i like what i see.....BEFORE YOU SAY IT....yes i know i should have it flowed....but again no one around here wants to spend the money......i have done quite a few......i guess you can say i have been lucky.


i remebered the first time i did my own head...all i did was narrow the spliter to like a dam razor....and took the transition out of the bowls...the head sounded like some one was spraying like hell....i don't know how to use the fancy words and all that ****...but this head really surprized the hell out of me.later i took it off and put a stock one on and you could tell a night and day difference....the only thing i did is what i stated in this post.


yes i plan to read his article.....i am always willing to learn so i can just keep getting better and better at this.


man that **** has got you hooked...NITROUS IS LIKE PEPSI GOTTA HAVE IT?


harv


Modified by 1700anddroping at 3:43 AM 10/27/2005

 

i have a BHJ B-series torque plate for sale used once. 225$. funny that nobody mentions using a trans bellhousing torque plate while honing cylinder #4... we have a junk trans cut up for doing just that.

bottom line is the block probably changes shape like a **** as soon as heat is added anyway the only real way to do it right is to machine parts at opperating temp with all torques applied. hell, half the machine shops don't even bother to torque the main caps when honing the cylinders let alone a deck or trans plate.

 

RMS..........sent PM

 

RMS -----PM me..ill buy it..

 

I couldn't imagine the stresses on an aluminum block are going to have a dramatic effect on the iron sleeves inside. I know it sure makes a big difference with those like myself running an iron block though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Phase Change Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I couldn't imagine the stresses on an aluminum block are going to have a dramatic effect on the iron sleeves inside. I know it sure makes a big difference with those like myself running an iron block though. </TD></TR></TABLE>


well i am under a lot of pressure as of today?my kids have won a bet we made.
if they make straight A's.they get to pick any coustume for halloween...by there
self...plus pick mine.right now it is between ELMO and JAY Z......

elmo well i don't know very many 6' 1" 244 lbs of them running around

jay z i can only imagine what this **** is gonna look like.


so fella's give me strenght to make it thru the day....and yes i will post pics when they decide.

harv

have an awesome day