What are you guys paying per gallon for E85??? I just called the place that carries it in this area, they want $3.45/gallon 92 octane is going for $3.49/gallon

I was planning on converting my Civic, but with it being that expensive I may as well just keep running 92 octane.

 

$3.45/gallon is cheaper than 105octane race gas. If you're not making more power than you can safely make on pump gas, then there's no reason to change anyways.

 

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Absolutely!

I just have a stock B16 so there is no "need" to switch to E85. However, I have seen some people's posts saying they're getting E85 for $2.70-$2.90. I figure if that was the case I may be able to save a few bucks by switching, and not giving the oil companies my $ is a plus in my book.

 

Well, regardless of the price, you'll use about 30% more of it, so you generally won't save anything by switching to it over 93.

 

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i think hes tring to stop funding the terriorist since their families own the oil companies

 

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Is that what you have seen in your customer's vehicles? All the literature claims that you only lose like 10%-15% in fuel mileage. Just curious what those of you who are actually using it are seeing. Thanks for the input!

 

Well, i can tell you that you'll max out 1000cc injectors and a walbro pump around 450-475whp, where you'll max out the same setup closer to 650whp on gas. That's about 30%.

 

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Word!

 

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stoich vs stoich we are looking at about 1.5x more fuel. People generally tune E85 a bit leaner, but overall expect 1.3-1.5x more fuel consumption. The auto manufacturers and E85 nuts are liars.

 

What spark plugs are you guys running on your turbo E85 set-ups?

I've looked everywhere and i cant find anyone talking about certain spark plugs for E85.

Any help would be appreciated!!!

 

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14.7/9.76=1.5061475409836065573770491803279

stoich vs stoich we are looking at about 1.5x more fuel. People generally tune E85 a bit leaner, but overall expect 1.3-1.5x more fuel consumption. The auto manufacturers and E85 nuts are liars.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Maybe, but from my experience E85 does NOT like to be run leaner than 93 octane under power.

 

what kind of mileage are all of you getting with e85? considering you drove nicely... how many miles to your tank?

 

I'm running E85 with the same plugs I ran using 113 octane race gas. I'm getting around 20 mpg but sure like getting fillups at stations vs. 55 gal drum routines.
(H22, 92 hatch, Gt30, 435 whp @ 17psi, 10:1, built eng.)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cJ_EG2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What spark plugs are you guys running on your turbo E85 set-ups?

I've looked everywhere and i cant find anyone talking about certain spark plugs for E85.

Any help would be appreciated!!! </TD></TR></TABLE> we have E85 averywhere but what plugs are best bkre7???

 

i'm trying to see how lean i can run my car while crusing to see if i can help the mpg

 

We usually see around 22 city and 25 highway being pushed a bit everytime driven.

 

Does a 30% increase in fuel hold true for the entire map?

 

http://www.epicinfo.org/?p=74
http://ethanolproducer.com/art...=2366
http://www.lifeline-foods.com/

Lifeline Foods is my employer. We recently opened a 40mmgy ethanol plant to compliment our corn milling operation. This is the future of ethanol production; we arent "stealing" corn from food, we're making ethanol after all the human consumption food value has been extracted from the corn kernel. We also burn wasted corn particles better known as bran in a boiler system called a gasifier to reduce the initial fossil fuel input to create said ethanol. New technologies can indeed prove very valuable to the sustainability of ethanol in the US. I'd be happy to talk more about it if anyone is interested.

Btw, E85 sells for about $2.25 a gallon here in saint joseph, missouri

 

from what i gathered is that although its about 30% more fuel at wot, its not nearly that much when cruising, becuase of the extra power (due to ignition timing) the car wont need to be pushed as hard to do the same amount of work at certain throttle angles

i wish we had this stuff in pa, i just did a research paper on it and would like to use it myself

 

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i wish we had this stuff in pa, i just did a research paper on it and would like to use it myself</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong.

 

planning on run E85 but wanting to know if it is possible to get tuned on E85 and GAS and then have a switch that would allow me to switch between the 2 type of fuel. So that i can run E85 but not run the risk of getting stranded when E85 isn;t around.

 

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tell me how this is wrong, unless you have first hand experience and can prove all the research i did wrong then you dont need to talk... ive researched this quite a bit and it seems what i stated to be true, although it may not be beneficial to the average consumer, it is to those people who want to push the timing on their boosted honda's and still be reliable

 

Ignition advance is not going to make a lick of difference with E85 vs 87-93 octane when you are talking about part throttle. You aren't going to find too many cars that have part throttle detonation issues on 87-93 octane fuel so finding MBT is not an issue. You are going to gain a very small amount of power with E85 due to the cooler combustion, but again, not that much. So, yes, you can claim that with E85 you will need slightly less throttle because of the extra power. To offset this, gasoline is a better fuel to lean burn with vs E85 as it doesn't care to lean burn at all, so that difference in power will be offset by the fact I can run my gasoline engine leaner without significant power loss. So really, the 30% is more than fair to apply. If you want to argue it's 28% vs 30%, I'm not going to bitch. But if you think the difference will become 10% like GM claims, well then, I'd ask you to prove it because those same GM cars that claim only a 10% difference in actually have the standard 30% difference.

 

lovin this thread even tho its a few years old. ill post my #s soon.

 

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I tune setups for both fuels all the time