<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted hybrid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Around 500-550whp on my dyno depending on base fuel pressure and if a injector driver box is being used. I tend to run base fuel pressures in the 50-60 range if 1000cc and a single walbro is being used to get as much as possible out of the combination. The dual walbros get a bit more out of it, but not much. 1600cc's run surprisingly well with e85 with only a resistor box. I have gotten 650whp out of a single walbro and 1600cc's on my dyno, but the walbros just dont hold high fuel pressure well and duals are needed if you want more than that power level. A walbro 255lph HP feeding a Bosch 044 is an excellent choice with 1600cc's if you are trying put alot of power. I would imagine that combination would support 750-800whp with a high base fuel pressure. </TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks.

 

I sent an email to Rockett Fuels, they said the racing E85 will be out this summer, it is currently not in production.

 

I'm trying to find 1/2" stainless fuel hardline, anybody know of any? I can find it in as big as 3/8".

would e85 eat aluminum hardline up pretty quick, or is it a slow process? do you have to get the teflon lined braided hose, I've heard of a few people have their hose start weeping after a season or two of ethanol..

 

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Maybe I missed it but what's the difference?

 

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Maybe I missed it but what's the difference?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Regular E85 is mixed with 93 octane or whatever they cut it with and has an octane of 105 or so (gov does not regulate the mixture, so on any given day you could be getting anywhere from E50 - E98) and the rockett fuel is 112 octane and cut with a racing fuel, also a consistent blend.

 

Im getting in on this thread. Im pulling my car out of storage next weekend, taking a couple weeks to finish some stuff up on it and then tuning on E85. Looking for somewhere between 400-500 whp.

 

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Regular E85 is mixed with 93 octane or whatever they cut it with and has an octane of 105 or so (gov does not regulate the mixture, so on any given day you could be getting anywhere from E50 - E98) and the rockett fuel is 112 octane and cut with a racing fuel, also a consistent blend.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good info. I doubt I'll ever get that here...we JUST got regular E85.

 

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Good info. I doubt I'll ever get that here...we JUST got regular E85.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea its not really for a street car, its for people that want to race on E85 and not want to risk their 10k+ motor on a batch of E85 that may of been over diluted and not have the same detonation resistance as true E85, the rockett will always be the same formula which is critical for a race engine tuned on the ragged edge.

 

i made 323 whp on my b17 at 9.5 psi.
Neukin Manifold & DP,
GT3251E,
550 injectors,
large precision intercooler,
Greddy Profec B II Electronic Boost control,
hks SSQ,
tial 44mm wastegate

im thinking bout convering to e85 using 1000cc injectors.
what kind of power do you think i can make?

 

Who tuned your set up?? I have only heard of ppl going to shane at DB and Jordan from Consummate for tuning with E85. I had Ron at RS do my last car on pump gas, but Jordan is doing my car this spring on E85. He has a really good reputation around minnesota.

 

When can we expect this stuff In KY?

 

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These statements are actually not accurate. While your correct that E85 isn't federally regulated, E85 actually IS state regulated. If it's dispensed in your state, then E85 must conform to ASTM testing standards. Check with your dept of agriculture in your state for specific definitions.

E85 blends are distributed by blenders, not mixed inconsistently at the pump (though blender pumps may come in the future to allow flex fuel vehicle drivers to choose). ASTM D 5798-99 states that testing procedure ASTM D 5501 is specifically in place to ensure that there is never less than 70% Ethanol by total volume on any gasoline advertised as E85.

In my area, and many areas around the country, Verasun distributes and provides E85 to stations. Verasun advertises openly conforming to all ASTM standards per state regulation, and has three "value of classes" in terms of percentage of Ethanol content. The 70, 74 and 79 percents are specific blends for the winter, spring, and summer mixes. There is also warranty and gaurantees on blend consistency both through Verasun and through Sheetz, which is the local station that dispenses E85 near me.

So, E85 blends are actually very defined and tested randomly to ensure they conform to the appropriate standards.


I really read, to a significant extent, about E85. Not just because of my interest in the fuel, but because I am attracted to "green" solutions. A friend of mine actually has an ATF approved still, and we're going to make small batches of denatured (well I can't gaurantee my friend will denature it IMMEDIATELY...lol) ethanol for the hell of it. My point is having done alot of research on E85, there is one factor which can effect ethanol content, and that's the fuels exposure to air/humidity.

This brings into question people's tank vents and charcoal canisters. These should operate with a one-way check valve for ventilation, but should the valve fail ethanol will absorb moisture at a rate of roughly 1oz/hr. This could effectively reduce the "proof" and in turn reduce the knock resistance of the fuel, and could also lead to phase seperation. This can happen, especially if a car sits for an extended period of time with E85 in the tank.

In my opinion, running a full-time wideband in an E85 tuned car is probably a good idea. Also, being tuned on summer blend is probably a better idea so in winter, the worst that'll happen is you run rich.





Modified by RC000E at 10:47 PM 3/17/2008

 

damn good post

 

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E85 blends are distributed by blenders, not mixed inconsistently at the pump (though blender pumps may come in the future to allow flex fuel vehicle drivers to choose). ASTM D 5798-99 states that testing procedure ASTM D 5501 is specifically in place to ensure that there is never less than 70% Ethanol by total volume on any gasoline advertised as E85.

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not at my pump, it arrives as E98 and it is cut right in the tank with a nossle from the pump, onsite. I know this because I just watched them do it the other day. By using that large range of gradings that I mentioned above, (e50-e98) I was trying to prove a point that with water accidentally mixing with the mixture and a bunch of other variables there is probably a good chance that one day one of us will get a shitty batch of the stuff in our cars, causing major problems if one does not watch the wideband, I am sure most of us at one time got a horrible tank of gasoline that barely allowed our cars to idle correctly/drive right, the same thing is completely possible with Ethanol, which is why I gave that large range of gradings. You stated that it is mandated to never be below 70% Ethanol by content, but if a station was already stocking winter blend and it got tainted, it would quickly fall below 70% content, I cant tell you how many times I have had a bad tank of regular pump gas, so I cannot see what E85 tanks would be any different, if it is not stored in a sealed container ABOVE ground, there is a definate possibility of the mixture getting tainted.

 

Well, I can't speak for every place in the country, but it sounds to me like something isn't right with what your seeing. Though I must say, if they blend with full tanks, considering a typical 1000-2000 gallon in ground tank, it shouldn't be too hard to have a consistent blend.

Storage tanks for E85 must conform to EPA post December 1998 code, which will not allow moisture or the presence of water to introduce itself. Also, stations that hold fuels are required to test the fuel roughly 6 times/yr.

Like I said, the station that dispenses E85 near me has a gaurantee on the website, vouching the quality and consistency of their E85. I have no worry personally. If it's an old broken down station then I likely wouldn't buy it. The stations near me are adding them to new stores, and it's an entirely seperate system delivered pre-mixed to gaurantee quality.

If I were you I'd ask the owner of the station if he gaurantees the consistency. Also, tanks that were used for gasoline, that now store E85 have to be cleaned by a bonded and qualified company that has experience with petroleum storage tanks. The EPA sites specific processes which must take place prior to E85 storage.

Through my findings E85 is highly regulated, just like any other fuel. I'm not worried about it personally.

 

The station next to my house had a brand new tank installed just for the E85 directly on the side of the building, so I would imagine its construction had E85 directly in mind. I know all tanks are supposed to be sealed whether its Gas/Alc but cannot speak for everyone but most if not all have pumped a bad tank of gas before, which I will put money on that it is from water seepage somewhere. I am going to talk to the owner as he hangs around alot and get the full scoop

 

Yeah, talk to the guy...I'd be interested in hearing how informed he is in order to deliver a consistent product. I've personally never had a bad tank of gas. Maybe living in more suburban areas, I've always dealt with fairly new construction stations and never came across that.

Tanks should certainly be protected from water and seepage by all means. If I can get consistent blends of Pepsi I should be able to get consistent blends of gas.

 

I also have to look at the name on the side of the truck, apparently verasun does not supply my E85, there is only 1 station currently in DE.

http://www.ve85.com/Locator/

 

here in oregon its sequential biofuels. dont know there operation but its the only one around and there brand new. im going to call them.

 

i called and they said that its mixed in the truck at the plant. and that it comes from boardman oregon. they store it in a 10000 gallon tank that is double walled fiberglass. but they only put 5000 gallons in at a time right now because of the demand. and they offer a 50c discount of your taxes for the first 400 gallons.
he asked if i was buying for on road or off road and i said off. he told me to get it from his dealer at a 25-30c discount or before taxes. so that makes it 2.55/gal and they will cut it with race gas if i want

 

ohhh i called the dist of the e85 and they mix it once a week with premium. so i asked if they could custom mix me some with race gas. he was very unsure. he was going to call his lead and then call me back. i told him i saw it online about the rockett brand 112 or whatever it was. he is calling the "experts" at the testing site. yay maybe more info

 

my local distributer said he would sell me the e98 if i brought my own 55 gal drum.

 

what is the octane of e100

 

dude never called back what a tool.

 

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you apparently never called him back either.