Nah2b- i might have to take you up on that offer. It would be nice to see if it is the clutch or flywheel for sure. Turtle at evo said he measured everything and the PP and flywheel were the same as every other one at his shop. Also hydro pressure is still there pedal is firm and the fork moves all the way almost to the back of the housing when clutch is depressed. When its cold it goes into gear fine but after some freeway driving the clutch seems to just go away. I dont think its the tranny as i said before cause when i turn the car off put it in gear then start it in 1st with clutch fully in it will lunge forward so the clutch isnt disengaging. My tranny had brand new gearsets on it and i havent missed of a shift on it yet, i havent even been able to race it at all. Also this happens in every gear again pointing me to the clutch/flywheel. What clutch setup are you using exactly? I think i remember you saying the exedy one but i thought you couldnt drag on slicks with a organic full face clutch?

 

I still dont understand why we cant use the qsd spacer and b series flywheel on the evo kit. Plates are both 1/2" thick and that should be the only thing that matters when dealing with the flywheel setup.

 

This is beyond ridiculous.

Evo is a joke, their customer service is a joke.

It's funny how they were so quick to jump on me when i first posted this problem after countless times trying to fix it.
And now a lot more are having the same problem.

Of course they have nothing to say about the issue- but I'm sure someone from the company will jump on and bash soon enough.

Evo should stop trying to defend their product and figure out the damn solution.

It cost me a 5 thousand dollar motor, how much more damage will it cause to others before they finally step up ?

QSD is the solution

 

yes i would say your clutch is definately not disengaging by your symtoms. the odd thing is it only does it after driving a while. does it lunge forward when starting cold as well or only after driving for a while?

i havent tried the exedy w/ the h2b yet. i wouldnt suggest the organic anyway, the one i was talking about is their stg.2 3 puck disk. it held 275whp/205 wtq in my allmotor setup for a full season at the track before the disks finally craked. but you have to admit, that was impressive for a "stg.2" clutch haha. the other thing i like about the exedy is since its a 3 puck it provides very easy shifting. i very rarely missed a gear with that clutch in my h22 trans.

anyway i honestly would not like to mention the brand of clutch i am currently using for a few reasons. the first being i simply dont like to support this brand. the only reason i bought it at the last minute was because the exedy wasnt available haha. the second reason being i would hate for people to read this and go out and purchase another clutch hoping to solve their issue only to find out their trans still wont shift because it has been chewed to ****. then come back and say it wasnt the clutch, only adding more false info to the thread.

i think we should first determine weather or not it is in fact differences in each clutch causing the problem before recomending a clutch that works w/ this kit.

 

It is quite unfortunate that you had to have experienced this. I tried giving you a call on your cellphone and to my dismay, I was not able to get a hold of you. What some of the others might not know, or maybe it was not shared with them is the fact that when your vehicle came into the facility, your issues were caused by an improper installment of the shifter fork into the bearing.(Instead of the fork sitting inside of the two tabbed ears on the bearing, it was sitting on top) which of course would then cause a shifting issue.

We ordered another bearing for you, and even had Turtle install it for you all on the company's time. But that is okay. We wanted to find a solution for you, it also helped that you sounded like a nice guy.

As far as measuring the pressure plate... there are no notes or indications that such measurements were taken at the facility. Once a project is accepted into our facility; accurate documentation is protocol, however, I do not see any notes on your measurement.

I also wanted to explain to you that TURTLE SHOULD NOT HAVE DECLINED YOU TO RETURN. HE WAS NOT AUTHORIZED TO DO SO. It was not brought to my attention until after the fact and upon summoning for him to call you, it must have been too late. After all, he worked on your car for an entire week; what is a couple of more hours to ensure that you as the customer is completely satsified?

We have sold HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of kits. You have visited our facility and I am not sure if you were given a tour, but we have many projects going on and partake in manufacturing items for the medical inudtry, dental equipment, atv, motrocycle, aerospace and even government contracts. We believe in high quality and strive for excellence.
We are internally working on ensuring a higher quality of customer service, and also re-structuring our sport compact division to compliment the change.

Once again, it was quite unfortunate that you may experience this, I hope that this matter can be resolved amicably.

Hedi

 

...... i'm not buying from evo. ... cause i'm one irate **** when it comes to shitty customer service.

$0.02

 

my kits on its way out

when spring comes i'll let you guys know how well the qsd works. Im fed up of this bs i started the thread and yet no one has bothered to call or even email me. *** THIS.

 

whats going on with our kit? why dont you guys replace it with a model from a different time frame that was not giving people issues.

 

UPDATE- Someone contacted me about trying a few things and it seems as if he was right on one thing. The clutch now seems to be over traveling since taking it to evo. I will attach pics so you guys can even see it for yourself. But when i go drive around and build up heat it seems to have a big affect on the clutch/flywheel. Now he explained it as me over traveling the PP and causing it all to tweak and not release on all sides. When i had it heated up and pressed the clutch all the way in i would be locked out of all gears. Then i let the clutch out half way everything works and shifts fine even driving down the road. So if i only push the pedal down half way everything works fine. The clutch is not engaging until the very top of the pedal stroke and i mean the very top. I wouldnt be surprised if its not even fully releasing it. Dont know how to fix this though any ideas? Heres a pic with the clutch out then fully in:

 

wow yours looks so much more straight then mine is. to bad there is not a way of running a smaller slave that fits in the exact same area as the stock location

 

if its over engaging you simply need a pedal stop. try mounting a bracket under the pedal to keep it from depressing fully. if it is infact over engaging....

 

Wouldnt that just be a band aid fix? I mean that still doesnt address the engaging point of the pedal. Even with the master fully adjusted it barely grabs at the end of the throw. I checked and there is no pressure on the fork with the clutch out you can wiggle it just a little. Just look at the pic when the clutch is in, the fork is almost hitting the back of the bell housing it is definatly over traveling. So what could cause the fork to be so far forward to start with?

 

Now im starting to think this is the wrong throw out bearing they put in. Everywhere im looking says its for older prelude and civic dohc motors. So a cable tranny bearing instead of hydro. Its a nachi bearing # 55scrn41p-6

 

the fork is going to sit wherever the pp allows it to. remember the hydro system isnt going to move the fork UNTIL youpush the pedal. so the location of the fork depends upon the where the fingers on the pp are, which inturn depends upon how thick the clutch disk and/or flywheel surface is.

and like i said before, when you buy a comp twindisk you must use a pedal stop w/ it as per manufacturers instructions. it doesnt mean the comp clutch is made wrong, it just means its not the same as other clutches.

every clutch is going to be different and this is probably why people are noticing the forks sitting in different locations. normally you wouldnt notice because your not looking as hard and comparing notes, you know.

 

you are so close to getting this issue fixed turbo. i can smell it lol. but hopefully you won't give up and find the solution.

 

evo shoudl compensate for their mishap on their kit
sad to see such a waste

thats 3 trannies now? :S

 

BrowNKiD

i had the same problem with my h2b, i had a 4 puck stg 5 competition clutch and it would not go into gear,car kept creeping up when my foot was fully down on the clutch and i couldnt shift past 3k otherwise i would have to grind the **** out of my clutch to throw it in gear.....

so i bought myself brand new slave/master cylinder and it did not fix my problem....

i knew it wasnt my tranny b/c it was just recently rebuilt so i went and got myself a 6 puck stg 4 clutch and my car was perfect, i was slamming gears at 8k within minutes of putting the new clutch in lol.........i guess 4 puck and evolution kits dont go together.....even though a few ppl have had bad experiences with evolution i personally love it now, i was also about to sell my evolution kit and go qsd myself if my problem wasnt fixed

 

was the 6 puck a different brand clutch?

 

i have a stage 4 competition clutch with a stage 5 flywheel , unsprung it is a 6puck

when did you purcahse your evo kit?

 

nope, i stuck with competition

 

i had a sprung 4puk and now have an unsprung 4puck the unsprung is better than the sprung. We even sent the clutch and flywheel to the clutch manufacture. But honestly for the price of a new clutch id rather get a kit i know works! And im not the only person on here with this issue.

 

honeslty this is getting rediculas now. motor/trans should be out 2day. Kit should be on ebay by the end of the week.

 

yea sometimes its better to go another way, i was just saying maybe your problem is 4 puck cuz i had the same problem, until i got my 6 puck

 

The problem should be some brand clutches don't work with the evo kit. Evo needs to test out all the different types of clutches with their kit and post results.

 

y is it that no one who is running the qsd kit has this issue. There is something wrong wit the evo kit but they dont wanna admit it. And its costing me LARGE $$$