ok. how about we make a thread where all evo h2b guys vote on the brand clutch they have. does that sound good? here i'll go start it anyways.

edit heres the link
https://honda-tech.com/forums/drag-racing-36/evolution-h2b-owners-come-2444332/

 

damn i never heard of action clutch........i gotta do some searching but this new ht isnt working out with my search tab haha

 

Well i think can account for all the questions about different clutches cause i sent me clutch and evo flyhweel to bully clutch and they machined a lil off the pressure plate to see if that would help. It did but very minor.

 

damn u shouldve tryed a 6 puck PP first

 

This is crazy! I do not use garbage in my cars, and the EVO kits are flawless. It is amazing how certain individuals want to blame a straight forward kit for issues that have pointed to installation and added hardware problems.

Evolution did a great job with the update to the kits, compensating for aging slave/master cylinders.

With almost 1000 kits sold worldwide, with great success, I believe in their technology.

Based on some of the responses on this thread, I guess if I have a car where 6 different tires work well on them, and I have 1 tire set that causes me problems...I should throw away my car!

 

Thats the exact reason Im selling this kit and I can almost guaranty no one from toronto, canada will be buying an evo h2b kit. It is clear that I am not the only one. And I have replaced everything around the kit and still continue to have the same issue. What else should I replace? The logical thing to me seems the kit. Just as a few others have.

 

Whats keeping us warm!

 

i love the stolen portuguese propaine tanks from job sites.

 

ok here is what i think is happening, as we can tell from all the pictures where the original kit the slave cyl rod looks like its overusing itself and pushing on a angel. I think whats happening here is the slave cyls are going bad from all the stress therefore causing the selector to jam up and break because the gears arnt going in smooth since the clutch is not working all the way

 

I'm starting to get flashbacks from my phone conversations with EVO 5 months ago . . .

"Our kits are flawless, we have them in tons of cars making more HP then yours and they work fine "

Sounds like their customer service CD is stuck on REPEAT . . .

People are looking for a solution, not looking to be told they are incompetant because the kit in a race car built by a professional works flawlessly.

 

I'll have to agree with Jake on Evolutions customer service woes. Saying that the customer is "incompetent" and the product is "flawless" is borderline arrogant. I work for a company that makes products for some of the big names in the racing industry and I'd love to say that our product is "flawless" each and every time they come out of the mills, but we all know that when it comes to mass production, there are a few out-spec pieces that get away from us. We do address those issues with our customers and find solutions but we do not put the blame on them even though we know it is the customers fault. Our wheels are on millions of cars world wide and some of these vehicles make more power than anyone of us can imagine, but that does not matter to the customer that is having a problem and they sure as hell don't want to hear that as a reason or a solution. They just want the problem to go away. just my 2 cents.....

 

Exactly there is no such thing as flawless. Installation error huh bisi? Thats funny cause evo is the one that installed my **** and it still doesnt work

 

hey bisi,

please dont take my comments the wrong way. its just my personal take on what is happening here. i am not doubting evos capability in making a "flawless product" but what makes it flawless?

there are so many things that can be out of evo control to make a flawless product or things that been machined to .00010 tolerances can go schew when thinking everything is perfect all the time. i have been around cnc programmers and machines for some time, and i see things go wrong here and there. not something that happens all the time but does happen.

revisions to a product, is not flawless. so i think that was the wrong word here. evo kits are great. and many in which have had great sucess with. but the others, like my good friend jake was not so lucky. install are installs, this is no different, and he is more then qualified to do the job. i can vouch for that.

there are many ways in which companies can blame the cumstomer and vise versa. but in the end, great customer service always tries to take care of the situation and makes the customer happy.

edit: take this to pm s

 

Well let me state the obvious.....

We all know now that clutch manufacturers have different tolerances on their pressure plates and it will be unlikely we can convince ALL the manufacturers to call out a tighter tolerance on their pressure plates. We also know that having too much of a "step" between the flywheel and the friction ring will cause a over-centering problem.

There are a few probable causes to everyone's shifting concerns....

1. The friction plate is too thick
2. The mating surface for the friction plate is not machined deep enough

The question should be.... What would be the maximum "step" height of the friction ring need to be, in relation to the mating surface of the flywheel in order to accommodate the various clutch manufacturers variance in pressure plate tolerances? Measuring an OEM spec flywheel should tell you the answer to that as those seem to have the least amount of concerns in regards to shifting with any given clutch.

 

best idea i have heard yet, compare one of the "problem cars" evo flywheel to an UNTOUCHED oem flywheel and see if the "step height" is the same. if its off, then theres your answer

if nobody gets around to it first, i will check my good working evo flywheel against my oem b series flywheel next week. i will take pics and post my findings. but obviously we will still need a non-working evo flywheel to compare also to make sure the flywheels are coming off the mill identical.

 

wow! sounds like the evolution kit gots some issues goin on! i was going to buy one too......

 

what i would do is compare it to a qsd or a working evo kit and make sure everything measures the same and if it doesnt then looks like its a bad batch

 

words from the master

 

OK im going to send my clutch/flywheel setup to action clutch and see if there are any differences in there clutch kit and my competition one. The kit was designed around that clutch company so i will know if its the clutches or not causing this problem. Im pulling the tranny tomorrow so hopefully i will know something by the end of the week

 

good luck man. lets get this issue resolved. I love and enjoy my h2b kit and i hope you get to soon too

 

sure rub it in lol

 

best of luck, i hope by january we have a resolution, i feel one coming very very soon

 

Come on people lets face some facts here..... This is a simple machine we are dealing with here....a lever and fulcrum.... I seriously doubt the flywheel is the problem

I would look at the lever/fulcrum combo... A relatively unknown brand of clutch.
I know the Evo team use the Action clutch... Personally I know nothing about them and therefore, wouldnt use them. Bully, XTD, and other "discount" companies should be avoided in choosing a quality clutch.

I have run ACT (again my better judgement), SPEC, CC, Clutchmasters, and Exedy.
In all cases (B2B, H2H, and H2B) I have found the Exedy clutch perform the best...

Just because it says it a stage 5 doesnt make the quality any better... As someone stated above, the Exedy stage 2 ( 3 puck) took alot of abuse. A ****ING STAGE 2!!!!

Going back the to the lever/fulcrum argument....if the TO Bearing is incorrect (or incorrectly installed as it has been proven possible), then the fulcrum (pivot point) is probably out of whack.

But in the end it is your money, your time, and your car....

Sheet metal intakes and ebay headers and cheap unknown brands of clutches.....
Maybe the QSD kit is for you! :LOL:

 

On a different note....I have been running the EVO Industries H2B kit for over 11 months...DD, Drag, Street Racing, Mountain Racing, Light offroading.......I have yet to have 1 issue with anything that EVO has provided.

I got a big suggestion.....DITCH THE HYDROLICS!!!!!!
Im running mine in DA Integra...Hydro trans with a Hasport Cable to Hydro conversion....
Forget extended forks and slave adaptors.... I hand built my trans in July of 07.... Still on the same Trans oil from then (recycled it during the H2B swap!!).

Evolutions Industries
~ For The Motha Faqin Win~

 

Why!!!

also action clutch is a GREAT clutch far better then ACT imo!