I've been looking for a good fuelpump to go on a high power street car on E85. I've found that Magnafuel makes a nice inline fuel pump thats good for a lot of power. Its very quiet aswell once its primed:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U7lpxSABBRc

I contacted Magnafuel and they stated that this pump has been tested and works well with E85. They have 3 different internal gearing sets for the pump. The highest flow version, 4303, is good for 1500whp on a forced induction gasoline motor. That should be good for 1000+whp on E85

http://www.magnafuel.com/produ...1.htm

Anyway, for the price, this is what I'm going to be running on my high power E85 street car. $487 from summit.

http://store.summitracing.com/...166+0

Regards,
Justin

 

I've used magnafuel pumps(4703) on a few cars and i really like them.
There basically a mech pump that uses an electric motor to spin it.

 

What's wrong with good ol' Bosch -044's?

You can buy two of them for the price of one of those Magnafuel's.

Having a pump that loud kind of takes away from the "street car" sense.

 

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You can buy two of them for the price of one of those Magnafuel's.

Having a pump that loud kind of takes away from the "street car" sense.</TD></TR></TABLE>


They aren't good enough for the high demands of alcohol use. Gas they are alright, but alot pumps are alright until you decided that you want to run alcohol.

Really most electric pumps aren't good enough for alcohol, even the ones that supposedly are rated at 2000+hp...haha

 

Alcohol meth or eth burns faster than gasoline. Search Ask.com and search Does methanol burn faster than gasoline. go to the link that says homegrown fuels and read up.


Modified by HR-1320 at 9:48 PM 12/29/2006

 

Dual 044's would definitely work well. Running dual pumps would be a bit more expensive then the single Magnafuel 4303 because of the fittings. Thats definitely a good option I think. Who runs belt driven fuel pumps on their street car?

Justin

 

http://www.fischer-tropsch.org...9.pdf


The overall ability of the blends to resist knock seems to be a function of the total oxygen content of the blend; the higher the oxygen content there is in the blend, the higher the knock resistance. Ignition delay and combustion interval data show that higher alcohol/gasoline blends tend to have faster flame speeds. Here again, the oxygen content plays a role since the higher oxygen content blends
tended to have faster flame speeds than the lower oxygen content blends.


any comments ???????

 

Tony or anyone else, Has any done a back to back dyno pulls comparing eth and c16. I just install a 248 dynojet. When we went to etown i had to switch back to gas because of my fire suit wasnt a -15. I now have good maps for my car to run eth and c16. In the coming weeks I will do back to back comparasons for strickly power. I have worked with Carey on his conversion for a while now. I hope we can do the same on his car. We are welding a center diff to dyno his car at the rear wheels to put it on the dyno also. Hopfully we can compare gas and e85 on his.

 

Joe that would provide some good data!

 

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The overall ability of the blends to resist knock seems to be a function of the total oxygen content of the blend; the higher the oxygen content there is in the blend, the higher the knock resistance. Ignition delay and combustion interval data show that higher alcohol/gasoline blends tend to have faster flame speeds. Here again, the oxygen content plays a role since the higher oxygen content blends
tended to have faster flame speeds than the lower oxygen content blends.


any comments ??????? </TD></TR></TABLE>

That doesn't really prove anything. There adding oxygen to all there blends.
plus everything they tested was a blend of some sort.

what was interesting was the more oxygen a fuel had the more knock resistance it got!

 

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Modified by HR-1320 at 9:48 PM 12/29/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

Here's a quote taken from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol

Methanol is used on a limited basis to fuel internal combustion engines, mainly by virtue of the fact that it is not nearly as flammable as gasoline. Methanol blends are the fuel of choice in open wheel racing circuits like Champcars, as well as in radio controlled model airplanes (required in the "glow-plug" engines that primarily power them), cars and trucks. Dirt circle track racecars such as Sprint cars, Late Models, and Modifieds use methanol to fuel their engines. Drag racers and mud racers also use methanol as their primary fuel source. Methanol is required with a supercharged engine in a Top Alcohol Dragster and, until the end of the 2005 season, all vehicles in the Indianapolis 500 had to run methanol. Mud racers have mixed methanol with gasoline and nitrous oxide to produce more power than gasoline and nitrous oxide alone.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SSC1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tony or anyone else, Has any done a back to back dyno pulls comparing eth and c16. I just install a 248 dynojet. When we went to etown i had to switch back to gas because of my fire suit wasnt a -15. I now have good maps for my car to run eth and c16. In the coming weeks I will do back to back comparasons for strickly power. I have worked with Carey on his conversion for a while now. I hope we can do the same on his car. We are welding a center diff to dyno his car at the rear wheels to put it on the dyno also. Hopfully we can compare gas and e85 on his. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I did back to back testing between E85 and C16 at 22psi on a B series. The E85 made 552whp and the C16 made 525whp.

 

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I did back to back testing between E85 and C16 at 22psi on a B series. The E85 made 552whp and the C16 made 525whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What were the differences in temp? Have you ever tested C16 vs. Import or some of the more expensive oxygenated gasolines that we aren't allowed to use?

 

dturbocivic.

I think i know why your confusing it. Your thinking once the fuel is lit and i'm trying to explain that it's harder to light.

Combustion of alcohol is better/faster/cleaner/etc then gasoline. This is why we use it.
However it is harder to burn hence why we say it slower.

 

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What were the differences in temp? Have you ever tested C16 vs. Import or some of the more expensive oxygenated gasolines that we aren't allowed to use?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Differences in air temp? None logged, it was a street car, 4 injectors, and the temp sensor is in the plenum.

I have some VP Import here, but i haven't tested it yet.

 

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I think i know why your confusing it. Your thinking once the fuel is lit and i'm trying to explain that it's harder to light.

Combustion of alcohol is better/faster/cleaner/etc then gasoline. This is why we use it.
However it is harder to burn hence why we say it slower.
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alcohol has a higher resitance to detonation, but in the end is a more "efficiant/complete burn"

i belive its only harder to light when we are trying to give the engine 2 times the amount of fuel than it would need when using gasoline.

i still belive its easier to light given we are using identical quanties of fuels( say we dont alter the fuel tables from gas to alcohol.)

http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/er...3.pdf

read through this and tell me what you get out of it ?

 

I wasn't stating which was harder to ignite. But which one burned faster once lit. There was no confusion on my part .

 

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I did back to back testing between E85 and C16 at 22psi on a B series. The E85 made 552whp and the C16 made 525whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did you see any noticeable increases in torque?? My seat of the pants feeling on my car, it feels like it is making quite a bit more torque as well?? The turbo seems to spool a bit quicker as well, and EGT's are definately lower.

 

HP and TQ go hand in hand. Can't make more of one w/o the other.

It definitely ran cooler, it actually lost coolant temp during the run on E85.

 

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It definitely ran cooler, it actually lost coolant temp during the run on E85.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats good stuff

 

good lord i have to say learning this is fantastic. you guys made my whole year worth it

 

Where in cali can you get e85 I must try this.
Anyone add nitrous to it yet? See how it reacts? same as race fuel?

 

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Anyone add nitrous to it yet? See how it reacts? same as race fuel?</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://www.nitrousexpress.com/...e.htm

There ya go.

 

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Only one place that I was able to find that will sell to the public:

Pearson Ford Fuels
4067 El Cajon Blvd
San Diego, CA 92105
619-521-2469

I just might have to get a 55gal drum and drive down there

 

There are 3 other places in Cali, short of the one you listed, but they aren't for public access according to http://www.e85refueling.com