i think this is a great idea!! briongs the price down for fue,,,,,tony.. i like your thinkin
to buy a still is about 1500.00 ready to go

 

This is really exciting.

I called around town up here in Portland Oregon and E98 cost $6 a gallon.

I think Tonys idea of E85 (E98 and C16 mixed) could potential be capable of more power then straight C16.

Justin

 

We use to pay about $1.75 per gallon for E95. We also ran upwards of 50 lbs. of boost on it. We did run 8 injectors.

 

I like the idea of vp import and e98.

 

vp import is a great thing

 

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If you like spending $20 a gallon, if you like spending $2 ethanol is a great thing...haha


Definately a good fuel though, Im not arguing that.

 

Let me start by saying I am not a fuel guy but can you just mix the fuels?
It seems that easy but how are you going to stop if from separating?
I have seen alot of problems with ethanol fuels and we only have 10% around me.

 

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I have seen alot of problems with ethanol fuels and we only have 10% around me.
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What kind of problems have you seen?? 10% ethanol fuel is just normal pump gas

 

Alot of people just drop E85 in the tank and think they will automatically increase power. It doesn't work like that!

You need to increase your timing to make up for less energy content in the fuel. Your burn rate is slow like racing fuel, you can increase boost and timing, THEN YOU'LL see an increase in power.

I'm going to run E85 myself in the SRT-4 with the blue button from Stage 2/3 (I haven't decided yet) on all the time.

Im going to purchase a still from this company - http://www.ethanolstill.com/

Why not make your own? If you do it right, it cost less than $1.50 per gallon to make and your ROM is anywhere from 102-105 octane.

Why would you want to mix it with racing fuel, especially leaded??? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of it being a clean burning fuel????

 

You can definately save money making your own, but unless you have someone that wants to buy all the waste material from you, you wont get a return on that, and it is extremely time intensive, and the intial investment is rather pricey

I don' t have the time to make my own, so I have no problem spending an extra .50 a gallon to buy ethanol that I know is good, and has and octane rating of 105.

You have to make quite a bit of ethanol to recoupe your investment when you make your own, believe me I have looked into and have spent alot of timing researching this avenue.

I bought 100 gallons of straight ethanol for around $250, so I just don't see making my own to be much more of a money saver, especially when you factor in the time it takes, and all the waste products you have to deal with. Plus you need a area to do this, it isn't something you can just setup in your living room..lol

I would like to here some feedback from someone other than Kentucky moonshiners that have made there own "fuel" not drinking alcohol...hahah

 

A mustang we turbo'd made 900+ whp on e85.

http://www.rune85.com/turbocobra.htm

The fuel is bad ***.

 

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Hondata will only control 4 injectors... Technically I could wire it up and have it control 8 using some FJO injector drivers. I was planning on staying on C16 next year, but E85 is looking interesting and easy to get my hands on.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know Andrea and Jeff Evans were selling an ecu that was modified to control 8 injectors, so like Tony said it can be done

 

I hear the new band wagon is 3 injectors per cylinder.

 

hippie gas in sfwd,
bout time

 

Damn it i'm just getting nervous that there is no E85 arround me here in Europe. On the other hand the swedish have the E85 on every gas station, so maybe it'll spread out through europe in time.

Are you using still the same fuel pressure when using E85? I think tony said that the 1000cc are good for 600-650WHP, is that at 42 psi or more?

 

I didn't changed base fuel pressure when I switched to ethanol. I have maxed out my 1600cc injectors at ~30psi, straight ethanol, and a Weldon 2345a.

However, the math just didn't add up so we talked to weldon and they informed me that the 2345a pump flowed like almost 40% more at 16.5v that it does at 14, so I have upgraded to a 16v battery and alternator. The alternator puts out 18.5v, so that outta give the pump a bit more flow.

I have yet to verify that the fuel system is now good, but to have 120% d.c., the car should of been putting down like almost 800whp, which the car is no where near. I had already gotten a bigger FPR, clean out the filter, and have -10 feed and -8 return lines.

 

Cary has all the baller parts

 

1000cc inj. are good for a little under 500whp on average, on E85. I also maxed out 1600's at low fuel pressure at around 620whp.

 

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You need to increase your timing to make up for less energy content in the fuel. Your burn rate is slow like racing fuel, you can increase boost and timing, THEN YOU'LL see an increase in power.

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my understanding was that alcohol actually burned quicker then gas.

 

no... slower..
and harder to ignite that's why you'll need strong spark.
plus you'll be burning twice the amount so that makes it harder as well.

 

theres an old saying:

Gas is for cleaning parts
Alcohol is for drinking
Nitro is for racing!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Enzo-Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no... slower..
and harder to ignite that's why you'll need strong spark.
plus you'll be burning twice the amount so that makes it harder as well.

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if that is the case, alcohol burns slower, why does it need "2 times" the amount of gas for the same power output ?

id imagine its from trying to ignite all that extra fuel is when you need that "extra" spark.

 

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if that is the case, alcohol burns slower, why does it need "2 times" the amount of gas for the same power output ?
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Chemistry.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostedh22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I didn't changed base fuel pressure when I switched to ethanol. I have maxed out my 1600cc injectors at ~30psi, straight ethanol, and a Weldon 2345a.

However, the math just didn't add up so we talked to weldon and they informed me that the 2345a pump flowed like almost 40% more at 16.5v that it does at 14, so I have upgraded to a 16v battery and alternator. The alternator puts out 18.5v, so that outta give the pump a bit more flow.

I have yet to verify that the fuel system is now good, but to have 120% d.c., the car should of been putting down like almost 800whp, which the car is no where near. I had already gotten a bigger FPR, clean out the filter, and have -10 feed and -8 return lines.</TD></TR></TABLE>Carey, When was the last time those injectors were flowed?? Flow and clean could not hurt. I think Precision does it for like $15.
We never had trouble with the filter, but we had to clean the injectors twice last season. It would always be black stuff, so I believe it was rubber out of the fuel lines. They have been on there since I built the car.........so it has been a while.
Just a thought! I feel pretty confident that is one of your issues


Modified by FMUNK at 4:44 PM 12/28/2006


Modified by FMUNK at 4:45 PM 12/28/2006

 

Flowing is definetly a good thing. We use to clean and flow the injecotrs on Bryans car whenever a motor was pulled. Always had a clean set on the car. Youd be surprised the **** that comes out of those things.