<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TrueNorthStar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wonder how much power my fuel system could handle on E85

1600cc injectors + Weldon 2015a</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have maxed out my 1600cc injectors with a Weldon 2345a at 30psi on ethanol. E100.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kiggly &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">boostedh22a, why wouldn't you run more than 25psi on it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I just haven't. Its only 105 octane, and still has 15% junk fuel in it. I really switched to E100 pretty quick and just stopped at about 23psi on E85.

 

I looked around for octane ratings. Seems E100 is 113 to 115, E98 113 to 112.5 and E85 goes from 96 to 105. They must really put junk gas in to drop it that much...

Maybe blending my own would work better....

Steve

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostedh22a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I have maxed out my 1600cc injectors with a Weldon 2345a at 30psi on ethanol. E100.

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If you dont mind me asking, what was your fuel base fuel pressure, Injector driver/ECU and operating voltage (stock or a 16v system)?

TIA

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TrueNorthStar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If you dont mind me asking, what was your fuel base fuel pressure, Injector driver/ECU and operating voltage (stock or a 16v system)?

TIA</TD></TR></TABLE>


45psi, MoTec M400, stock voltage.

I switched fuel kind of mid season and have been working on a few things trying to get it right. I'm going to up the base fuel pressure for this year to around 75psi, I have already purchased a 16v battery and alternator, and we will see how things go from there.

 

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45psi, MoTec M400, stock voltage.

I switched fuel kind of mid season and have been working on a few things trying to get it right. I'm going to up the base fuel pressure for this year to around 75psi, I have already purchased a 16v battery and alternator, and we will see how things go from there.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Damn, sounds like we are running allmost the same equipment. I'm running the M400 also.

Now you have the 2345, will it take a base pressure of 75psi? I was looking at the "performance chart" for it and it only reads up to 80psi and weldon states on thier website that it is "rated" for 70psi. 75psi + 35psi boost would = 110psi in your rail

I was planning on running my 2015a @ 16.5v using the voltage booster from Kenne Bell, with a base pressure of 50-55psi.

I guess I'll have to wait and see how it does.

 

I called Kinsler Fuel Injection and they had a flow chart on the 2345 all the way up to 100psi, and told me that for short periods of time (i.e. drag racing) that pump will be fine at 125psi+. The flow chart they had on a standard 12v (14v with alternator) system flowed 1285lb/hr at 100psi.

The alternator I bought will output 18.5v when the car is running to charge the 16v battery, so the pump should be pumping out way more than that.

Again, I haven't tried any of my new upgrades, so I'm not sure what I'll end up doing with the base fuel pressure.....damn nasty winter weather...haha

 

Who do you talk to at Kinsler?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gdmfsob069 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Who do you talk to at Kinsler?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I forgot his name. I usually just call there number and ask for tech support. Depending on what I call for, last time I called I talked to someone in the flow deparment I believe.

 

Just curious. I could e-mail you flow data on anything we've ever had our hands on. Feel free to IM, e-mail, or call and ask for me.

 

I might have talked to you Scott??

Could you email me your flow data on the Weldon 2345a please?? cbales@avdindy.com

thanks

 

E-mailed entire electric pump section w/flow data.

The PDF I e-mailed does not include the 16 volt flow data we have.
At 16 volts, the 2345 will do the following:

7 PSI - 1815 lb/hr @ 9.4 amps
20 PSI - 1750 lb/hr @ 10.2 amps
50 PSI - 1575 lb/hr @ 14.2 amps
70 PSI - 1460 lb/hr @ 17.2 amps
100 PSI - 1285 lb/hr @ 22.2 amps

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gdmfsob069 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just curious. I could e-mail you flow data on anything we've ever had our hands on. Feel free to IM, e-mail, or call and ask for me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'd like to see a chart for the 2015a @ 16-16.5v if you have it. True_North_Star@hotmail.com

TIA

 

e-mailed.

 

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Thanks!

In the pdf you sent me, all of the floe rates are done at 13.2v. Would you have the numbers at 16v also?

TIA

 

anyone have a method for testing what percentage ethanol the mix is?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbo2001rt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone have a method for testing what percentage ethanol the mix is?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I posted it on the first page...

"A simple test a technician might use is to determine the amount of alcohol
present in gasoline. This can be done using a "water extraction method". A
graduated glass cylinder, usually 100 milliliters (ml), is used for the test. Place
100 ml of the gasoline sample in the graduated cylinder. Add 10 ml of water
into the cylinder, stopper the top, and shake thoroughly for one minute. Set
aside for two minutes. If no alcohol is present, the 10 ml of water will settle to
the bottom of the cylinder. If alcohol is present the alcohol will drop to the
bottom, along with the water, increasing the bottom layer to greater than 10ml.
Subtract 10 from total bottom layer and remainder will be the percentage of
alcohol in the gasoline. "

 

for those interested in running 8 injectors with the stock honda ecu:

we've been doing this modification for over 4 years. we install our own custom designed daughter board into the ecu with an extra set of injector drivers. compatable with hondata, crome, ectune, etc and retains sequencial injection. it costs 125$ with a one day turnaround.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RMS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for those interested in running 8 injectors with the stock honda ecu:

we've been doing this modification for over 4 years. we install our own custom designed daughter board into the ecu with an extra set of injector drivers. compatable with hondata, crome, ectune, etc and retains sequencial injection. it costs 125$ with a one day turnaround.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So would this fire 2 injectors at once all the time, or in a staged format???

 

it can be set up to run all injectors all the time or they can be added with vtec (this can be done on a non-vtec engine, too. vtec sol and pres switch are disabled so the vtec map is used as an alky map). there are still other options avail with the s300's secondary tables. there are tons of possibilities

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RMS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it can be set up to run all injectors all the time or they can be added with vtec (this can be done on a non-vtec engine, too. vtec sol and pres switch are disabled so the vtec map is used as an alky map). there are still other options avail with the s300's secondary tables. there are tons of possibilities </TD></TR></TABLE>

nice, too bad I no longer have a honda...haha

 

Well we can add another car to the list. I just filled my tank with straight E70 (winter blend) and am getting tuned ASAP. I will have to get a retune for the summer blend I assume? Any recomendations for a noob to the E - fuel world?

My setup is

1992 Prelude Si 4ws - H22a4 (1999 Prelude Engine)
Basically stock - only aftermarket I/H/E
ODB1 running a chipped p28

Thanks for the help.

Also if anyone happens to have a good basemap for this setup please let me know. Thanks again.

 

How are you guys handling the water that gets into the oil with this fuel?
Any tips on reducing this problem?

Other then the water this seems to be a great fuel!

Steve

 

The main thing is that you need to make sure your oil temp is not too cold. If you get the oil temp hot it'll boil off the water that gets in it. Same with the methanol cars. You run them cold and the oil looks like ****. Get them hot and they oil looks like new.

 

On a side note, I tuned a car making 560whp with 1600cc injectors, NepTune and the FJO injector driver. It is using this magnafuel pump http://www.magnafuel.com/produ...1.htm and e85, and it was at ~55% duty cycle. Oh, the pump is setup as a puller too (the tank is not sumped). Not too bad for a ~$400 pump.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The main thing is that you need to make sure your oil temp is not too cold. If you get the oil temp hot it'll boil off the water that gets in it. Same with the methanol cars. You run them cold and the oil looks like ****. Get them hot and they oil looks like new.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Got ya, it's been a little cold around here lately Kinda hard to
belevie I'll be racing in two weeks...


( servion) Same pump I'm using, real nice peice.