Originally Posted by sleepingciv

run down
xenocron basemap
450cc dsm blue tops
ebay turbo set up
vitara pistons
eagle rods
dohc zc now 6:1
obd0 chipped pm6
stock fuel pump
stock fpr
fuel filter pressure gauge when car is not on but primed says about 38psi
has half tank of gas, i know cause i just put in 5 gallons

Car wont start up at all with the 450s in there and new basemap

before it was on the old basemap with 240cc injectors. ran ran shity after about 30 seconds or so.

I thought maybe one of the 450s was bad so i tested to see if they sprayed and they do.

Odd thing is after cranking the car for a bit and not starting up i took the injectors out to see if they were spraying and with the injectors out the car fired up and burned what fuel that was in the cylinders
so what ya think could be up with this??

Originally Posted by 2jzdreamin

It sounds like either weak spark or to much fuel.

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

I think you might be on to something about the weak spark. Its not a bright spark really.

I assume it needs to be a really good spark due to the 450s and the 6:1.
Guess time to get new dizzy.
The dizzy in there now did throw code 8 but it went away after a little cleaning.

Thanks for fast reply

Originally Posted by 2jzdreamin

hows the wiring look? is the timing set right? no problem man.....

Originally Posted by si-hatch86

What are your plugs gapped at?

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

Wiring as in ? I did all the wiring in the car all is good and checks out. ya timing is on



Not sure Ill have to check

Originally Posted by 2jzdreamin

engine and dizzy wiring....i know your on point with wiring....

Originally Posted by 2jzdreamin

hope its not a bad base map...

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

I thought that to so i put it a stock zc ecu and nothing happend

Originally Posted by dj211855

Let me know what you find, I can shoot you a street tune on 450 but a stock dohz zc. So cr is about 9+.

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

Im not sure how well that would work out being im 3 points out from 9:1



Other ideas no matter how silly our common you think it might be post it up ok.

Originally Posted by dj211855

Im thinking its dumping too much fuel at start up. As far as cr goes, it will only make a slight difference it will make a big difference in wot with your timing.

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

So you think the base is bad?

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Originally Posted by dj211855

If it started with the 240 then my guess is that is dumping too much fuel. You also mention when you took off the 450 it started with whatever fuel left which is very little this leads me to believe that it is dumping to much fuel. Try playing with your dizzy advance/retard and start it up if it will help.

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

well I ordered a new dizzy.
the old one is kinda in bad shape

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

Any other ideas out there?

Originally Posted by BigJnWorldWide

It's probably something with your dizzy. Either the nighter for the coil or something.

I'm having a firing up issue as well. Thank goodness for Harbor Freight. Gonna pick up a multimeter. But I'm running out of daylight :-(

Did you test your dizzy?

Originally Posted by 2jzdreamin

Did you get your new dizzy yet?

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

Should be here tomorrow and really hoping it fixes it.

Just wanted some other ideas incase it dont fix it lol

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

New dizzy came and still dont fire up.

Need more ideas

Originally Posted by 2jzdreamin

have you tried stock injectors and ecu?

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

fixing to and see whats up

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

stock auto dohc zc ecu and i only have stock 240cc dsm injectors.

only code is for the auto lock up

starts up for like 5 sec or so wont take gas dies.
crank again does same thing

Originally Posted by 2jzdreamin

hows the compression? is the timing set right? how old is the fuel pump and filter?

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

havent done comp test yet no tester
timing is on
filter looks newish pump primes to around 38-39 psi.


im really thinking the low compression with the vitaras is ******* this up

Originally Posted by 2jzdreamin

did you try adjusting the valves?

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

thats the next step lol. just hate doing it lol

Originally Posted by Waffle86

propane torch in the intake manifold , see if it stays running

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

what ? lol

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

idk what to think now iv tried both ways. lining up direct gave me code 8
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Originally Posted by Zer0DazE

MAP and TPS plugs switched around? I had a map sensor (2.5 bar Motorola) I managed to break, and it also did something similar to what you described.

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

not switched around but did throw map code a few times but went away

Originally Posted by 2jzdreamin

Man I'm confusssed on this.

Originally Posted by dj211855

What does this mean "Wont take gas dies"? if you apply gas pedal does it stay running?

I love to see the engine bay, any pic? ADjust the trottle cable while its been running, have a friend keep foot on the pedal keep it running til warm up or keep idle at 2000rpm.

IF your car starts with the stocki'sh ecu and 240cc it ain't compresssion. Open up your valve lash a bit or play with ignition on dizzy while its running.

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

Means it would start idle but press the pedal and went rev. Ill get ya a pic or 2

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Originally Posted by sleepingciv

Me to lol. Figures i can't find my feeler gauges either

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Originally Posted by si-hatch86

the only time ive ran into this it was my timing. im interested to hear what else it could be...

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

Im not to sure if it is the timing. The car ran for awhile on the old base.

Before on old base it would drive but after a min or so it would only idle not rev out.

Originally Posted by si-hatch86

is it possible cam positioning sensor is taking a ****?

Originally Posted by Waffle86

take a propane torch and open the valve and stick it up to the opening in your intake manifold , more or less adding more fuel to the engine , if your car stays running you know its a fuel problem and not a timing , or electrical

did this to my 79 mustang to wake her up from a 15 year nap in the garage

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

lol never heard of that before lol might try it



and no codes so i dont think the cam sensor is going out

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

ok riddle me this only 2 plugs are working lol

hard to see but look in the center of screen and just down and to the left

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Originally Posted by BigJnWorldWide

Pos non Honda dizzy? That's why I'm afraid to buy one. You know your plugs, wire, ignitor, coil, cap and rotor are good? Then I would assume it would be a problem with a harness or something? Did ou use a multimeter on the new dizzy?

Originally Posted by 2jzdreamin

How old are the plugs,cap,rotor and wires

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

ya non oem ebay

tell me what to test ill test it. only thing i have ever tested is a coil in dizzys nothing else




plugs are new, wires are new have tried 2 sets. cap rotor came with the new dizzy.

Originally Posted by BigJnWorldWide

I've been searching all week. I found that you shoulder the ignitor as well with the key in the "on " position. Continuity tests....

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

Ya I have searched for a while also lol. Never found anything besides coil testing

I messaged them and told them the dizzy was bad. will see whats up before I tear into it

Originally Posted by 2jzdreamin

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Originally Posted by BigJnWorldWide

*** that! Go test the ignitor to be sure. Maybe there's a replacement you can get. Cheaper option if you've narrowed I town to the dizzy.

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

well did a compression test i really hope the valves need adjusting lol/

110 9ish 90ish 110 lol yes the throttle was wide open and this is dry



and rechecked timing and looked at the holes in cams and stuff they line up great the exhaust cam hole is maybe off a 16th off from showing straight threw if that makes since pic

i have read 2 things about timing both from people that have done alot with these motors.
one says time it like i have it, the other says line up the lines, **** idk lol

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

well adjusted the valves now 110 across the board idk what now...

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

tried to start it with the old dizzy which i think has weak spark. it kinda tries to start, but doesnt.

the plugs did have some fuel on them few more then others

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

I gave all the quotes to show what has been done so far. First quote was my question why it wouldnt start.

Sorry for any confusion. Just thought it be easier done this way to answer any new question that might have came up.

Originally Posted by sleepingciv

Its running now. The way I was told to time it was completely wrong. Line the marks up dont do it one tooth off.

Originally Posted by 4drEF

Skimmed through the laundry list and didn't see what I was looking for.
I do see you have done a compression test.
Have you checked for spark?
Checked to make sure fuel is making it out of the injectors?
Verified mechanical timing (your exhaust cam bothers me)?