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Getting started
so i have a few questions on how to get started making custom manifolds and turbo setups.
my first question.
can someone explain turbo flanges i.e T2,T3,and T4, what i mean is... what are the dimensions of each? also know that a t25 will have a slightly smaller flange than a t28 correct?
how are equal length exhaust manifolds made? or should i say designed?
goes anyone know of any good software i can download to help me design things like manifolds? like that eDrawings '07 or whatever
keep in mind i'm a welder not a fabricator
what are the the basic toold needs to start up my own little business?
(i have the welders, i assume i would need a pipe bender and expander, bandsaw)
i nothiced some people had bevels cut inot some of their pieces before they welded them, they looked like they were machined on a lathe, but the pipe was bent? how do they get a bevel on a pipe thats already bent?
can someone refer me to some links that can help me out with this? or other sites that have more stuff like this site does?
can i order precut exhaust flanges from a site online? more specifically Nissan and Mazda? as i have seen no one order up some exhaust flanges for a b18
i know this is long and full of questions, but any help is greatly appreciated
Thanks,
Adam
Modified by atutt at 6:33 PM 10/27/2006
my first question.
can someone explain turbo flanges i.e T2,T3,and T4, what i mean is... what are the dimensions of each? also know that a t25 will have a slightly smaller flange than a t28 correct?
how are equal length exhaust manifolds made? or should i say designed?
goes anyone know of any good software i can download to help me design things like manifolds? like that eDrawings '07 or whatever
keep in mind i'm a welder not a fabricator
what are the the basic toold needs to start up my own little business?
(i have the welders, i assume i would need a pipe bender and expander, bandsaw)
i nothiced some people had bevels cut inot some of their pieces before they welded them, they looked like they were machined on a lathe, but the pipe was bent? how do they get a bevel on a pipe thats already bent?
can someone refer me to some links that can help me out with this? or other sites that have more stuff like this site does?
can i order precut exhaust flanges from a site online? more specifically Nissan and Mazda? as i have seen no one order up some exhaust flanges for a b18
i know this is long and full of questions, but any help is greatly appreciated
Thanks,
Adam
Modified by atutt at 6:33 PM 10/27/2006
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Re: Getting started (atutt)
6 years of experience and you don't even have the first clue....I call b.s.
Here's a tip since your new and all, hit the red search button....
search "manifold" "log" "mani" "stainless", check the materials supply link that is stickied.....do something!
Noone had anything handed to them here.
Here's a tip since your new and all, hit the red search button....
search "manifold" "log" "mani" "stainless", check the materials supply link that is stickied.....do something!
Noone had anything handed to them here.
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first of all, i said i'm a welder, not a fabricator... i've been doing structural welding my whole life...
can i build you a bridge or a crane? yes, does that mean i have to immediately have the know how to build an exhaust manifold or turbo set up? no. can i WELD you a turbo setup or exhaust manifold, yes. theres a difference between building a crane and building an exhaust manifold.
and if you read my post carefully, you'll see that i do have the slightest clue, right under my question about tools, i give a list of some of the obvious things i would need.
6 years or WELDING, and i'm asking about turbo flange specs, you think i have to know that already? as far as i know, to make an equal length exhaust manifold, take some skill and know how.
my welding experience didn't involve using computer software either, which is why i asked about it.
i'm not a machinist, so asking how people get what appears to be machined bevels on a pipe thats already bent (cuz from my experience with lathes, you cannot put a bent pipe in the chuck without it being off centre) doesn't seem so out of line.
i didnt ask for a materials supply link thanks though. i asked for links to sites with info similair to this site.
Thanks for implying i am full of bullshit though.
please read my post carefully and you'll find that i clearly have "the first clue" as to what i'm doing, and because i WELD, doesn't mean i instantly know how to build an equal length exhaust manifold.
can i build you a bridge or a crane? yes, does that mean i have to immediately have the know how to build an exhaust manifold or turbo set up? no. can i WELD you a turbo setup or exhaust manifold, yes. theres a difference between building a crane and building an exhaust manifold.
and if you read my post carefully, you'll see that i do have the slightest clue, right under my question about tools, i give a list of some of the obvious things i would need.
6 years or WELDING, and i'm asking about turbo flange specs, you think i have to know that already? as far as i know, to make an equal length exhaust manifold, take some skill and know how.
my welding experience didn't involve using computer software either, which is why i asked about it.
i'm not a machinist, so asking how people get what appears to be machined bevels on a pipe thats already bent (cuz from my experience with lathes, you cannot put a bent pipe in the chuck without it being off centre) doesn't seem so out of line.
i didnt ask for a materials supply link thanks though. i asked for links to sites with info similair to this site.
Thanks for implying i am full of bullshit though.
please read my post carefully and you'll find that i clearly have "the first clue" as to what i'm doing, and because i WELD, doesn't mean i instantly know how to build an equal length exhaust manifold.
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Typicaly along with welding comes fabricating. I have yet to see a person who has been welding for a long time just weld and not have to modify parts to fit. You say you can build a crane or a bridge and I doubt that highly. It's quite immposible to build either without the aid of a computer which you say you haven't used.
Go through all of the posts on this forum and then the ones on turbomustangs.com and you will then have a good idea of fabricaing and the tools involved.
Go through all of the posts on this forum and then the ones on turbomustangs.com and you will then have a good idea of fabricaing and the tools involved.
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allow me to rephrase, when i say build a crane or bridge, i do not mean by myself. and the company i worked for while i built these, used computer software, but, i DID NOT, i simply followed the blueprints, yes there was fitting involved, but i didn't use a pipe bender, nor did i use any lathes, there wasn't much "fabricating" need to build these, there was "fitting". the statement "along with welding usually come fabricating", this sin't entirely true, i have gone my entire career without having to do any serious "fabricating", hance why i made this post.
and how can you doubt what you do not know? you don't know me nor have you seen my abilities, you you don't know any of my qualifications. and i disagree with "It's quite immposible to build either without the aid of a computer which you say you haven't used". you can design and build both without the aid of a computer, however it would be rather difficult. as a fitter/welder, i am not required to design what i have built, i am required to be able to read the blueprints given, and perform the required. and if you people would read, i'm looking for some sort of downloadable software "to help me design things like manifolds", not to do it for me, i simply wanted help.
you say "Typicaly along with welding comes fabricating. I have yet to see a person who has been welding for a long time just weld and not have to modify parts to fit".
i say modifying is one thing, its adjusting what you are already given, fabricateing is another, its creating something. to my understanding, fabricating, is creating a piece that is more "one-off" than anything, requiring planning and design time (R&D if you will). to build an exhaust manifold, you plan and design it before you build it.
and i have gone through all the posts in this section on this forum.
you all seem to think that with welding experience, comes immediate machining skills and the ablility to use and create things in a computer software program.
no one seems to realize i'm only 20 years old. now your wondering how i have 6 years welding experience? well in that case, when i was 14 i gained interest in welding, got a partime job at a fireplace manufacturing plant, i was taught how to weld there (small little welds for small parts), i was in gr.9. in gr. 10 i applied for a full time welder on an afternoon shift, i began doing the structural welding i talk about. by gr. 12 i was fully cerified.
do i really have to keep going on about what i originally intended with this post while others doubt my ablility to weld?
and how can you doubt what you do not know? you don't know me nor have you seen my abilities, you you don't know any of my qualifications. and i disagree with "It's quite immposible to build either without the aid of a computer which you say you haven't used". you can design and build both without the aid of a computer, however it would be rather difficult. as a fitter/welder, i am not required to design what i have built, i am required to be able to read the blueprints given, and perform the required. and if you people would read, i'm looking for some sort of downloadable software "to help me design things like manifolds", not to do it for me, i simply wanted help.
you say "Typicaly along with welding comes fabricating. I have yet to see a person who has been welding for a long time just weld and not have to modify parts to fit".
i say modifying is one thing, its adjusting what you are already given, fabricateing is another, its creating something. to my understanding, fabricating, is creating a piece that is more "one-off" than anything, requiring planning and design time (R&D if you will). to build an exhaust manifold, you plan and design it before you build it.
and i have gone through all the posts in this section on this forum.
you all seem to think that with welding experience, comes immediate machining skills and the ablility to use and create things in a computer software program.
no one seems to realize i'm only 20 years old. now your wondering how i have 6 years welding experience? well in that case, when i was 14 i gained interest in welding, got a partime job at a fireplace manufacturing plant, i was taught how to weld there (small little welds for small parts), i was in gr.9. in gr. 10 i applied for a full time welder on an afternoon shift, i began doing the structural welding i talk about. by gr. 12 i was fully cerified.
do i really have to keep going on about what i originally intended with this post while others doubt my ablility to weld?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by atutt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
and i have gone through all the posts in this section on this forum.
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no you havent
im on my third semester since i laid my first weld, and have been here[weld/fab forum] ever since. a little over a year. i dont think ive ever created a thread in this forum yet i know all the info that youre seeking.
no one here, who knows, has an extra 10 minutes to answer all your questions that have been covered 100x over here. so as stated earlier....DO A SEARCH
and i have gone through all the posts in this section on this forum.
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no you havent
im on my third semester since i laid my first weld, and have been here[weld/fab forum] ever since. a little over a year. i dont think ive ever created a thread in this forum yet i know all the info that youre seeking.
no one here, who knows, has an extra 10 minutes to answer all your questions that have been covered 100x over here. so as stated earlier....DO A SEARCH
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"but any help is greatly appreciated"
he didnt say to hassle him. I think everyone who has posted in this thread beside the creator and myself are a bunch of e-thugs that want to rag on anyone they can to make themselves seem smarter or better in some way. Granted he could have done a search, but you see that he is still a trial user and maybe doesnt know the website that well. **** i have been on this forum for a year and a half and still cant use the search engine that well. Also if you know all the answers to this guys question why not be a half way decent human and help a person asking for help.
YOU PEOPLE ARE THE REASON THAT PEOPLE STOP USING THIS FORUM!
he didnt say to hassle him. I think everyone who has posted in this thread beside the creator and myself are a bunch of e-thugs that want to rag on anyone they can to make themselves seem smarter or better in some way. Granted he could have done a search, but you see that he is still a trial user and maybe doesnt know the website that well. **** i have been on this forum for a year and a half and still cant use the search engine that well. Also if you know all the answers to this guys question why not be a half way decent human and help a person asking for help.
YOU PEOPLE ARE THE REASON THAT PEOPLE STOP USING THIS FORUM!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by atutt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">first of all, i said i'm a welder, not a fabricator... i've been doing structural welding my whole life...
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I am in the same boat as you. I build scoreboards but I could not build a manifold w/o some serious help.
May I ask what kind of cranes you built? I am a crane guy so that kind of caught my eye. I have no idea why they are giving you such a hard time. This forum is here for people to ask questions.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jamheg1101 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Typicaly along with welding comes fabricating. I have yet to see a person who has been welding for a long time just weld and not have to modify parts to fit. You say you can build a crane or a bridge and I doubt that highly. It's quite immposible to build either without the aid of a computer which you say you haven't used.
Go through all of the posts on this forum and then the ones on turbomustangs.com and you will then have a good idea of fabricaing and the tools involved. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I have yet to see an iron worker using a computer.
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I am in the same boat as you. I build scoreboards but I could not build a manifold w/o some serious help.
May I ask what kind of cranes you built? I am a crane guy so that kind of caught my eye. I have no idea why they are giving you such a hard time. This forum is here for people to ask questions.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jamheg1101 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Typicaly along with welding comes fabricating. I have yet to see a person who has been welding for a long time just weld and not have to modify parts to fit. You say you can build a crane or a bridge and I doubt that highly. It's quite immposible to build either without the aid of a computer which you say you haven't used.
Go through all of the posts on this forum and then the ones on turbomustangs.com and you will then have a good idea of fabricaing and the tools involved. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I have yet to see an iron worker using a computer.
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Well since bigdaddyradde feels so strongly that we should provide any and all info necessary to fabricate, design, build, and construct manifolds and turbo setups in order to get your business opened asap....15 min of searching yeilded me apparently more than the entire welding/fabrication forums archives offered you in all your reading....hmmm
http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=78848 ...t3 and t4 info
http://www.sr20forum.com/archi....html ...t25 and t28 info
http://tool.off-road.com/tool/...x.jsp ...some articles
http://www.davesport.com/cgi-b...XKgL8 ...some flanges
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1548021 ...turbo mani material info
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1506321 ...design program, thoughts, applications
http://forums.turbobricks.com/...50343 ...a guy who designed his mani for the first time, alot of pics
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1423316 ...materials again
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1504796 ...ramhorn design help with links
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1488311 ...bevel methods
http://www.sba.gov/financing/ ...small business loans, assistance in starting a business
http://www.businessnameusa.com/tax.htm ...legal documents and filings necessary to start a business and obtain a tax id
Modified by RC000E at 11:03 AM 10/28/2006
http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=78848 ...t3 and t4 info
http://www.sr20forum.com/archi....html ...t25 and t28 info
http://tool.off-road.com/tool/...x.jsp ...some articles
http://www.davesport.com/cgi-b...XKgL8 ...some flanges
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1548021 ...turbo mani material info
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1506321 ...design program, thoughts, applications
http://forums.turbobricks.com/...50343 ...a guy who designed his mani for the first time, alot of pics
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1423316 ...materials again
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1504796 ...ramhorn design help with links
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1488311 ...bevel methods
http://www.sba.gov/financing/ ...small business loans, assistance in starting a business
http://www.businessnameusa.com/tax.htm ...legal documents and filings necessary to start a business and obtain a tax id
Modified by RC000E at 11:03 AM 10/28/2006
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see that wasnt soo hard now was it? you can sleep better tonight knowing that you provided information for another person on an informational website. people tend to forget that this is a educational website also and when you slam someone who asks a question that may be easy for you to answer you have to remember that hes asking because he doesnt know not because he wants to see how big of an ******* someone can be.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bigdaddyradde »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">see that wasnt soo hard now was it? you can sleep better tonight knowing that you provided information for another person on an informational website. people tend to forget that this is a educational website also and when you slam someone who asks a question that may be easy for you to answer you have to remember that hes asking because he doesnt know not because he wants to see how big of an ******* someone can be.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Just wait until you've answered the same question about a 1000 times and ALL 1000 answers are sitting right there to be read. Trust me. It gets old.
Just wait until you've answered the same question about a 1000 times and ALL 1000 answers are sitting right there to be read. Trust me. It gets old.
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thats my point, if your on this website you have to realize that helping someone out it part of being a member. You dont have to answer the question, as a matter of fact there is really no need to chime in if you have nothing productive to say anyway. You just waste pixels on my computer screen.
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/\/\ did you read my post? i know what a friggin turbo flange is, i was asking about the dimensions of them. i'm aware a T4 is bigger than T3, and a T2.... i asked about the dimensions of the turbo flanges.... and who said i have no interst in the automotive industry?
Once agian people, please read my ******* post before posting something that turns out to be irrelevant, or something that is something i did not ask.... i asked for some help, thats all.... i'm not allowed to access any of the "archived" pages, i can only access three under this topic.
I'm starting to get the impression that some people on here are far more clueless than I, no one reads a damn thing before opening their mouths, and then they post something stupid because they didn't read it thouroughly enough to grasp what i have asked...
Once agian people, please read my ******* post before posting something that turns out to be irrelevant, or something that is something i did not ask.... i asked for some help, thats all.... i'm not allowed to access any of the "archived" pages, i can only access three under this topic.
I'm starting to get the impression that some people on here are far more clueless than I, no one reads a damn thing before opening their mouths, and then they post something stupid because they didn't read it thouroughly enough to grasp what i have asked...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NINJASWORD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I am in the same boat as you. I build scoreboards but I could not build a manifold w/o some serious help.
May I ask what kind of cranes you built? I am a crane guy so that kind of caught my eye. I have no idea why they are giving you such a hard time. This forum is here for people to ask questions.
I have yet to see an iron worker using a computer. </TD></TR></TABLE> i built cranes for loading docks. for the big shipping containers. i built those types of cranes as well and smaller indoor overhead cranes
I am in the same boat as you. I build scoreboards but I could not build a manifold w/o some serious help.
May I ask what kind of cranes you built? I am a crane guy so that kind of caught my eye. I have no idea why they are giving you such a hard time. This forum is here for people to ask questions.
I have yet to see an iron worker using a computer. </TD></TR></TABLE> i built cranes for loading docks. for the big shipping containers. i built those types of cranes as well and smaller indoor overhead cranes
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The T2 inlet flange dimensions are 63x93mm
The T3 is slightly larger, 70x110mm. So the holes wont line up.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Found this with a quick search - these must be outside flange diameters, since I know my T2 turbine inlets are all about 1.5x2"(give or take). I seem to recall the T3 being more in the 2x2.5" range(rough estimate from what I remember measuring on a few). The above sounds about right for the outside dimensions on a flange(doesn't help much, but maybe it's of some use).
I've got a few schematics of them on another computer, but don't have them hosted, but they're out there.
The T2 inlet flange dimensions are 63x93mm
The T3 is slightly larger, 70x110mm. So the holes wont line up.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Found this with a quick search - these must be outside flange diameters, since I know my T2 turbine inlets are all about 1.5x2"(give or take). I seem to recall the T3 being more in the 2x2.5" range(rough estimate from what I remember measuring on a few). The above sounds about right for the outside dimensions on a flange(doesn't help much, but maybe it's of some use).
I've got a few schematics of them on another computer, but don't have them hosted, but they're out there.
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Re: Getting started (atutt)
Hello atutt,
I sent you a PM, but I'm not sure if you got it or not. Anyway, here are the drawings for the T3, T4, and T6 "Thumper" flanges. I would give full credit to the person who originally posted them, but I honestly don't remember who it was. I've had these saved to my harddrive for a while now... just in case.
Here's a link:
http://home.earthlink.net/~the...nges/
Good luck with your future projects!
Take care,
Mick
I sent you a PM, but I'm not sure if you got it or not. Anyway, here are the drawings for the T3, T4, and T6 "Thumper" flanges. I would give full credit to the person who originally posted them, but I honestly don't remember who it was. I've had these saved to my harddrive for a while now... just in case.
Here's a link:
http://home.earthlink.net/~the...nges/
Good luck with your future projects!
Take care,
Mick
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