Hell, if someone told me to build something for someone they know... that someone is my customer. I don't care if I've ever seen him before or not, what I am building is going into his hands so I really (IMO) don't like the tone you present when you say "You're not my customer, stop complaining."

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ImportReview &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> [ YOU WERE NOT OUR CUSTOMER You were ANOTHER companies customer, you didn't pay me 8 grand man. You paid the OTHER company. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Honda cars and many other cars are sold by thousands of other dealers which buy cars from Honda and sells them through there lot that doesn't make these cars the dealers car they are still Honda cars and no matter who sold it Honda has to back it up for Warrenty.

 

Actually Jeff, to be correct I am your customer. You were referring to me as another company's customer (Evol Motorsport's customer). However, Tom the owner of Evol Motorsports is my friend and co-worker. We talked about it at work and like I said, came to you together, not just as his customer.
If you read the e-mail I posted in which you wrote to me. That e-mail was right before I talked to Tom at work about it. He informed me he knew you, and that he'd done business with you before. So I had him call you to make reservations to get it done. That's all, I was even with him a couple of times when he called you. And I did pay you, I deposited the check into my buddies account so he could write half of it to you in the beginning process, and if you don't remember, I had to have it wired to you (or else I wasn't taking my car home that night) when I came to pick up the car. I also remember buying a Erick's Racing TB and JG header off of you on after the build. I'm sad to hear you don't even consider me a customer when all my aftermarket parts were actually bought from your shop. Here's a rundown of what I can remember that was supplied by your shop and installed there: Skunk2 Stage 1 cams, Skunk2 IM, Skunk2 camgears, JG headers, Erick's TB, Aem fuel rail, RC 310's, Portflow P&P, Portflow retainers and springs, Clutchmasters stage 4 with flywheel, SMSP Carsound Cat, full built block consisting of GE sleeves JE pistons Eagle rods balanced and blueprinted, and lastly Hondata installed and tuned at your shop paid by me in person. Only thing in that motor I didn't acquire from IB is a Comptech Icebox(because I called and asked you during the build if you sold it and you said no, and recommended me to get it some where else) and my 5zigen exhaust. That's it I guess...
Kong

 

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#3 if LS/VTEC's are not better for making more power, then why is it we all use LS/VTEC's and all the most powerfull motors we have ever built are all LS?VTEC's? And why it is tons of customers get rid of their GSR/Type-R motors to do LS/VTEC's?
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Are you f...n crazy? No one in their right mind would choose an LS/VTEC over a GSR motor and they certainly don't naturally make more power than a GSR. Why do I think you sold the gsr for big $ and stuck this guy with a cheap ls?
I'm sure if you pull the pan, you will not find balancing marks on that crank either. Huh, Jeff.

 

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Are you f...n crazy? No one in their right mind would choose an LS/VTEC over a GSR motor and they certainly don't naturally make more power than a GSR. Why do I think you sold the gsr for big $ and stuck this guy with a cheap ls?
I'm sure if you pull the pan, you will not find balancing marks on that crank either. Huh, Jeff.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You know I was thinking the same thing......
I dont know anyone who would have an LS over a GSR block.
More people I talk to are either building 2litre GSR's, OR they are trying to get their LS built to GSR specs. That is why most people start off with the GSR to begin with.

That doesnt make sense to me.
It does seem like you took him for his motor.

 

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You know, you can't just go around spreading lies about reputable shops right? If you hurt my business, you can be held responsible. Jeff</TD></TR></TABLE>


not to get in this but what do you mean by that....you cannot take any legal action because of what he is saying.......you could take some physical action lol but this is not the mob.

steve

 

a gsrblock is better but IMHO the ls crank is better for power. dyno sheets prove this. jeff check ya email

 

Simple,

My point exactly. I know Jeff is a very bright individual. I was sleeving the block, it would've struck a chord if the customer some how wanted to swap a sleeved GSR for a sleeved LS. Who in their right mind would do that??? My car was my daily driver, I just wanted a little more power and theoretically keep as much reliability as possible(that's why I went with S2 stage 1's). This situation caused me to lose a lot of hope in the import industry. Sometimes you go to what you think is the best in the industry because you don't want **** like this to happen, and sometimes you just can't avoid it.
Guys, it looks like I won't be getting my block back.
Jeff, said that it was a fair swap when he did my motor. I would have no problem with this, except for the fact that even my friend is boggled at what Jeff did. If Jeff could confirm that my friend did say that, I would be cool because there wouldn't be no fault, except for my friend. However, like I stated, when I picked up the motor, my friend was telling Jeff that we had never asked for an LS over and over again. I don't know how to explain this either, but during the build, " my friend told me that Jeff had mentioned to him that we were missing a head and a tranny(I guess for the LS/VTEC, and my friend said "What?" we came there with a GSR, and then everything was cleared up. Tom (my friend who owns a shop) told me that it didn't make sense to him that Jeff had said that. But boy did it make sense when I got the motor, haha.
There's really no explanation.
Whatever though, like Jeff said, "Life goes on!"
Kong

 

How can you settle for that kidn of crap Alpha_GSR?!

You were _robbed._ They were contracted to work with ur GSR block, and they didn't.

In a strictly legal sense (assuming what you're saying is correct), it would seem like you actually have enough of a case to sue for the return of your block, tranny, etc.

I wouldn't settle for what Jeff is telling you. It sounds a lot like some hoorrsee shiit.

 

Normally, when most people say that you should sue someone, it is a joke. In your case, maybe not. Since you are both in Cali, you could take him to small claims court for next to nothing. Sue for the max ($5000, I think). You really need to put your paper work in order to prove your case. You can't just go in there and talk BS. It HAS to be LOGICAL and provable. You need to bring LIVE witnesses etc. You can do this if you are well organized and can put on an intelligent presentation.

 

this is whack! Theres a leason needed to be learn from all this. ALL PERFORMANCE SHOPS SUCKS!!! Two performance shop doing business and yet NOTHING can't be done right and like always....the customers are always the one LOSING even when they are right. In this case, it was a major disaster

 

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Sometimes you go to what you think is the best in the industry because you don't want **** like this to happen, and sometimes you just can't avoid it.

Kong</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is the saddest line in the entire thread...

Good luck to you man.

--
Tom

 

Leadfoot,
Please don't put words in my mouth. I actually think he has a darn good shop, with a badass engine builder, "Jerry the Man"!! And of course great marketing techniques, haha!! I think Jeff is great tuner as well.
I feel it would be fair for the fellow H-Ters to read what happened to my build from my standpoint. If you want to know more about the situation, just ask and do some researching into the topic before you make any judgements on this. Don't just go around spreading rumors and exagerrating stories please.
On this thread, I would've appreciated if Jeff didn't post some of those childish remarks, trying to make me look like a fool. I just don't think they are really necessary. I only post things that I have proof of thanks. I'm only 20, so that doesn't make me anybody, but just an opinion.
Kong



Modified by Alpha_GSR at 12:45 AM 4/21/2003

 

I just don't trust anyone when it comes to money and buying parts for my car, I have been scamed for over $1000 cash and the person I dealt with seamed like a legit person.

 

Boy this sounds like it needs to be worked out. I don't care how long it's been.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by leadfoot78 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So the general feeling is that Jeff scammed you and his shop sux whatever the name of it was, I forgot ! Just wanted to summarize this for EVERYONE. </TD></TR></TABLE> you obviously don't know what youre talking about. thanks for your peanut gallery summary. to alpha, there are ambiguities in your presentation. Unless you have solid evidence of the infractions you claim were committed, you're going to have a hard time getting your money back.

 

I like Jeff and what his company stands for. He builds good motors but he is kinda hot tempered. I think it would be better if he would step back and take a deep breath before he posts sometimes.

Jeff has a good point about the detonating, a bigger throttle body will change the a/f ratio.

About you getting the wrong block, mistakes will happen and unfortunetely there was a miscommunication somehwere. I think jeff should of been more striaght forward, especially about the ecu situation, and could of atleast recognized that you didn't get what you had expected.

Business' need to put the customers best interest first, after all, customers are the reason the store exists!

I think Jeff and Evol should compensate you for the wrong block, what that compensation is, I don't know? I'm sure a free car part or an apology would work.

But on the brighter side you still have a very kick *** motor!!!!

 

Im sorry But if anyone buys a 2.0L for $7,500 GOT RAPED....And it only did 200 whp...Thats SAD....

Ross


Modified by allmotrb18c1 at 2:17 AM 4/22/2003

 

import builders is going to be closing, damn what is wrong with that building last performance shop there had to close down now this one. first atomic performance my friend went there to get a complete gsr swap with act 6 puck clutch. will couple months goes buy and my friend buys a quiafe lsd and he goes to a local shop to get it installed, they called my friend back and was like ohhh u said u had a act 6 puck clutch and my friend said yeah then my friend went to the local shop and the guy told us that is was just a stock gsr clutch, my friend tried to call atomic performance back but by then the shop had closed down.

i know that this has nothing to do with alpha gsr's thread but it is a little ironic. its hard to trust shops these days, my friend went to atomic performance because it was supposedly a great shop if not the best shop. and didn't area 51's shop just close down and dr. charles was the main guy at atomic performance and area 51. damn just seems crazy.

 

Haha, this is not my thread... I just replied to it, got asked a few questions and this whole ordeal blew up.
Kong

 

Just out of curiosity,did he give you a receipt showing you what serial number was on the new block???

 

just checked, but no, why???

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Alpha_GSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Haha, this is not my thread... I just replied to it, got asked a few questions and this whole ordeal blew up.
Kong</TD></TR></TABLE>

your right its not your thread my bad, but i still feel that u got fucked over by IB

 

Well,if it didnt say,i suggest you check if the block is legit. You could also report your gsr block stolen.i honestly think jeff should have givin you the gsr block back.Anyone knows the gsr block is far more superior than a ls block.


Modified by aeolus at 6:32 AM 4/21/2003

 

hey man, where did you get your info?

Thats all a lie.

VX ecu won;t work with Hondata, so how could I have given anyone that ecu? Your wrong there..
And the customer ordered an LS/VTEC? I think your talking about Kong. Oh wait, he is NOT my customer, he paid another shop the money, not me. The owner of that shop ordered the LS/VTEC. Not kong. because i never even talked to him once before he picked it uP!

Get your facts straight paaaallllllllll...

But be petty if you want! You have the right! Sounds like Kond is changing the story to make himself look in front of you. That is sad.

Jeff


thats what jeff replied to me with in my email..


original email message:
I am led to believe that if i drop off my GSR block with car it will come out with an LS/Vtec swap regardless of prefrence or request, and another drawback is that you heist the ECU and put in a cheaper VX civic ecu in replacment to my more expensive gsr ecu..... Also rumor has it that Jeff will stress how much better the LS/vtec setup is over the b18c once you purchase this 'upgrade'.. however he claims that the b18c setup is a much better way to go when speaking with magazine publishers... sounds like a steal guys