So I have this all these great plans for my d16a6 (high compression, big cam, headwork, bolt-ons), but how do I supply and manage fuel and spark? I was thinking Hondata, but they don't make an application for the Si ECU. What do other people do to get custom fuel and spark maps made? Also, what kind of fuel upgrades am I likely to need with a d16a6 that I want to hit 150-160hp with? Larger capacity pump, bigger injectors, FPR?

 

apex and msd are your friends

 

I guess it may come to that. I was hoping for a more comprehensive standalone that could be tuned on a dyno (I only plan on doing it once on this engine). Oh, well.

 

i wonder if the zdyne gold secu that alot of the turbo guys use would work?

 

have you looked at MoTec? motec.com

 

my friend had a zdyne for his turbo sohc vtec. pulled pretty damn hard, and he could tune it really well...check it out, i think it will work all motor

 

the question is how much do you want to spend.also whos gonna tune it.

 

Who's going to tune it? I don't know at this point because I will be moving to Oregon before I do this. I was trying to keep the engine management under 300, which Hondata is. I've heard about the SMC for $100, but I think its basically an analog, cheaper afc. Can you successfully tune an AFC with good results?

 

your talking to captn afc

 

Would you consider the AFC capable of tuning this engine well? d16a6, 11:1, exospeed cam, headwork, bolt ons?

 

I think that you can use a hondata, but you have to buy a pw0 or pr3 ecu to use it. Then I think the tuner can disable the knock sensor and second o2 sensor that the b16a program would look for. I'm not positve about that. That will drive the cost of the hondata up though. The zydne would also work but I don't know of any tuners for it in the Portland Or. area, meaning you might have to buy the tuning software yourself, driving the cost of the zydne up.

 

mason was sayin the dyno's in portland where they tune hondata ALSO tune zdyne. thats where he had his setup (i believe)

i could probably give him a call later and ask if someone wants me to

 

Do you know how much MoTeC's cost? A brand new MoTeC M4 which can be run on a 4-cylinder is easily $1500. More closer to $200. Then the MoTeC M4 Pro is close to $3000. I have alot of experience working with MoTeC's. They cost alot, but the are one of the best standalone ECU's you can buy. Traction control, launch control and shift without lift

 

get an ecu that they use and modify it with hondata

 

I've been running a ZDyne SECU on my rex since Sept.

They work fairly well on all-motor cars. I was tuning mine everyday up here, with the temp changes and all - till I put it away for winter, It worked really well considering. Plus, the trick factor of plugging a laptop into your car with all your buddies watching can't be beat.

If you ever plan on going turbo, this is the way to go. Hondatas are for newer cars.(OBD-1/2) ZDyne are for older. (OBD-0)

 

Anyone using Accel's DFI?

 

id use a zdyne if it wasnt for the fact that you cant do any data loging.
haltecs suck imo. old school acrane way of tuning plus you have to make all your own wire harnesses.

most effective way to run a standalone ecu is to convert to obd1 and buy an aem ems. i talked tall **** about the ems b/c when i beta tested it it sucked. they've work out a *ton* of bugs and apears to be awesome.

however if $1300 if over your budget, afcs work very well w/ any application for fuel management. my car would definatly not run w/o one. msd 6AL's rock. just using the blaster 2 coil created a great improvement for me over stock. msd also has a great detionation detector. etc etc you can start small and go big w/o having to dump a ton of $$ right away.


[Modified by TorteX, 2:46 PM 12/6/2002]

 

well...im on the stock ignition right now with a zdyne one wire vtec setup. I am currently using a Field's vtec controller for fuel managment and it seems to run great on the street. I ran high 14's with this setup, so i guess its good. Oh yah...when i ran the 14's i ran without the Feild's on...so it was running the fuel maps zdyne programmed.

 

as far as the D16a6 nonvtec, we have used the S-AFC to help tune high compression motors. honestly, it really doesnt need that much tuning, since the street cams available just need minor adjustments to the fuel and timing. so a simple fuel controller is good enough. upgraded OEM injectors is good enough if there is lack of fuel at some point. RC 310s are good but are even overboard in most cases.

Wil

 

damn wil..all your posts are only like 4 to 5 sentences long....can you make one like 4 to 5 pages long? we need more enlightment!!

 

haha.. i would like to. but i answer questions like these about 5 times a day from other fellow D series enthusiasts. im turning into a Cliff Notes version of my self.

hehe

Wil

 

If you want super crazy bad gas mileage N/A go with dual carbs and 4 o2 sensers then you can tune it with jets and ask your local musle car buddy for help otherwise ive heard good things about zedyne gold and you can always get a seperate datalogger