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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 04:53 PM
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I have a 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback with a 1.6 liter v-tech. The other day I was driving to work in the rain (there were deep puddles on the road). Suddenly, my check engine light came on and I lost power, not completely, it just bogged out. The check engine light shut off and I got power back. I made it to work and after I left work, my check engine light turned back on and I lost power again. Since then, it will start up first thing in the morning, it drives but there is no power. It won't go above 2,500 rpm. It eventually dies and won't start again until the next day. I don't have the plastic motor cover on the bottom of the car. Is there something that could have gotten water in it? My friend tested the distributor and it's fine, but my other friend said it isn't getting adequate spark. My catalytic converter went out and was plugged up, and I thought that might be the issue. I can't afford another one for a couple more weeks so I hallowed it out. That didn't do it. Any ideas?
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 05:04 PM
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First thing would be to find out what code was trip before going on a wild goose chase.
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 05:08 PM
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The thing is, I tried jumping the obd 1 connector. Which should cause the check engine light to blink a code, right? It stayed solid.
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 05:37 PM
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Here is the step by step:

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/how-pull-cel-d4-srs-abs-codes-code-lists-1901557/
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 05:45 PM
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The CEL will only show a code if it's on. The next time your CEL comes on, do not turn the car off. Pull off to the side of the road where you can safely sit, and jump the 2 pin plug.
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 05:52 PM
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(there were deep puddles on the road). Suddenly, my check engine light came on and I lost power, not completely, it just bogged out.
I'm assuming the deep puddle also jarred the car?

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The check engine light shut off and I got power back. I made it to work and after I left work, my check engine light turned back on and I lost power again.
Does it happen when you take off or during shifting?

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but my other friend said it isn't getting adequate spark.
I still use a trick an old mechanic showed me and pull the plug wires 1 at a time while the car is run to see if there is any change to the idle. NOTE: If done wrong it can be on hell of a shocking exp.

It sounds like a TPS problem to me. Don't think the water had anything to do with it if the puddle was deep and slammed ur car.

Also a Solid light should mean no code tripped... so i'm confused on that one
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 05:54 PM
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The CEL will only show a code if it's on. The next time your CEL comes on, do not turn the car off. Pull off to the side of the road where you can safely sit, and jump the 2 pin plug.
I thought they in the ecu for a couple cycles... thats good to know if its not the case
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 05:58 PM
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I thought they in the ecu for a couple cycles... thats good to know if its not the case
Not for all ECUs, especially OBD-I ECUs

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I still use a trick an old mechanic showed me and pull the plug wires 1 at a time while the car is run to see if there is any change to the idle. NOTE: If done wrong it can be on hell of a shocking exp.
Very bad idea. That's a fast way to blow a coil or wash a cylinder.
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 06:00 PM
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So, it talks about the 7.5 amp backup fuse resetting the CEL, but I found that fuse blown when I was working on the car. With tbe CEL on. When i replaced it, the stereo deck would stay on when the car was off. Before, the deck didn't have any constant power to it and would lose all memory when i would shut the car off, and i know for a fact that the deck was wired correctly from the deck end. I'm starting to think this may be a wiring issue.
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 06:02 PM
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Very bad idea. That's a fast way to blow a coil or wash a cylinder.
LMAO I didnt say drive down the road like that. You only pull them for a few sec and if that damages the car it needed to be fixed anyway cause it was on its was out
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by squareone73

I'm assuming the deep puddle also jarred the car?

Does it happen when you take off or during shifting?
When i take off. I never made it out of 1st gear since this happened. I usually pull it around the block and park it again to test if what we did fixed it.

I still use a trick an old mechanic showed me and pull the plug wires 1 at a time while the car is run to see if there is any change to the idle. NOTE: If done wrong it can be on hell of a shocking exp.
This is how we found out that it wasn't getting adequate spark.

It sounds like a TPS problem to me. Don't think the water had anything to do with it if the puddle was deep and slammed ur car.
What's the TPS? Sorry, I'm not a mechanic, i just know what I've taught myself so far.

Also a Solid light should mean no code tripped... so i'm confused on that one
Me too...
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Even just pulling it with the car running can blow the coil. It doesn't even have to be on it's way out - if it doesn't ground out correctly, it can pop. The correct way to check spark is with a DEI plug tester. They're stupidly cheap, under $15 at your local parts store. Disconnect the fuel pump fuse, pull one wire, insert the tester where the plug would be on the wire, ground it, and crank the car. Spark should be bright white. It's that simple, and doing it the correct way has no risk of damaging anything.

If your stereo is turning on with that fuse installed, your stereo is wired incorrectly.
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 06:14 PM
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Throttle Position Sensor here's a write up on changing one.



https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-accord-1990-2002-2/1993-accord-dx-tps-removal-2822004/
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 06:18 PM
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Except it might not be the TPS. It could be any number of things. OP needs to pull that code first.
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by NotARacist
If your stereo is turning on with that fuse installed, your stereo is wired incorrectly.
Yeah, i know. I don't know motors very well, but i do know stereos. But, i don't know car wiring, and if the stereo is wired where something for the car should be, I'm not really sure how to fix that. I guess i gotta find someone who is good at automotive electrics.
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by NotARacist
Even just pulling it with the car running can blow the coil. It doesn't even have to be on it's way out - if it doesn't ground out correctly, it can pop. The correct way to check spark is with a DEI plug tester. They're stupidly cheap, under $15 at your local parts store. Disconnect the fuel pump fuse, pull one wire, insert the tester where the plug would be on the wire, ground it, and crank the car. Spark should be bright white. It's that simple, and doing it the correct way has no risk of damaging anything.

If your stereo is turning on with that fuse installed, your stereo is wired incorrectly.
Well thx for the heads up but I've done it that way for 25 year and never blown a coil. When ur on the side of the road.... just rolled into work or pulled in the nearest drive chances r u dont have a DEI. Not to mention 15 dollar tools add up quick
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 06:35 PM
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Not for all ECUs, especially OBD-I ECUs
BTW thx for this... It good to know since my Del sol is OBD I
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 06:44 PM
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Could it be a problem with the ECU?
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Old Feb 4, 2014 | 06:54 PM
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Seriously doubt it. You have diagnostic steps to follow - go ahead and follow them. Pull the code(s), check your spark color, and while you're at it, go ahead and do a compression test.
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Don't think the water had anything to do with it if the puddle was deep and slammed ur car
There would be problems if he had a cold air intake. A buddy of mine had a cold air intake and went over a puddle. Few minutes later, he heard a rod knock and there was a hole on the block.
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There would be problems if he had a cold air intake. A buddy of mine had a cold air intake and went over a puddle. Few minutes later, he heard a rod knock and there was a hole on the block.
That's called hydrolock. OP's problem is nowhere near hydrolock.
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The correct way to check spark is with a DEI plug tester.
Hey NotARacist, what is a DEI tester? The sources I found for Hondas said we needed HEI plug testers (High Energy Ignition). So that's what I ended up purchasing for myself and used to test my Hondas with.

I've never heard of DEI... Wondering what it stands for and what the differences are?
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Old Feb 5, 2014 | 10:32 AM
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Hey NotARacist, what is a DEI tester? The sources I found for Hondas said we needed HEI plug testers (High Energy Ignition). So that's what I ended up purchasing for myself and used to test my Hondas with.

I've never heard of DEI... Wondering what it stands for and what the differences are?
Same thing. This is the one I use. It says HEI on the plug itself, but the packaging said DEI. I don't know what the acronym stands for, but it is what it is

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Okay kewl, was concerned I had been led astray. Glad to know my 25 bucks and two week wait wasn't wasted. Not priviledged to have resident Autozones here in Canada.

The new style is all enclosed in a clear plastic globe. Makes it impossible to get zapped or arc outside of the tester. Looks like this:

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