Is there something wrong with HT search? I searched but found nothing at all on this, which suprised me.

Anyways...On my GSR I'm looking at doing a big brake upgrade. Not just a typical conversion to 5 stud, and ITR brakes. But a serious upgrade.

I know i'll more than likely have to convert to 5 stud, which is fine. What options do I have for aftermarket calipers, rotos, pots etc? Is there spoon calipers the best bang for buck?

Car is 95 GSR, with b18c stock block running 8psi at roughly 200kw at the wheels. So I want some serious stopping power now.

Keeping ABS!

Matt

 

There's no point in converting to five lug for a big brake kit. Be warned though, a Wilwood, ssbc, Rotora, etc. kit will cost upwards of a grand and will require 17" or 18" wheels depending on the rotor size( 12" or 13").

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You can convert to the ITR sized brakes (282 vs. 262 mm) without switching to 5-lug. You can still run a 15" wheel if you choose.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=734560

You said that you do not want the ITR brakes. Is this upgrade for appearance?

 

Honestly, I had Wilwoods before and they are too much for the car. Appearance, yeah they look good....Performance, unnecessary. You can do an ITR brake upgrade with your current GSR spindles and should be happy. At least I feel they are more than adequate for typical stopping needs and then some.

 

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I agree, but they're cheap, powerful, easy to maintain and if you track the car, you can change pads in a matter of seconds. I used maybe half of their potential...

 

you could also upgrade to the new tl brakes which use the same knuckle as the itr but you would need to figure something out about your brake booster and mc

 

powerslot makes something called powerslot pro. it is about 350 bucks. it is a 12" rotor with a caliper relocation bracket. you use your stock calipers but you have a larger disc.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shutupnskate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's no point in converting to five lug for a big brake kit. Be warned though, a Wilwood, ssbc, Rotora, etc. kit will cost upwards of a grand and will require 17" or 18" wheels depending on the rotor size( 12" or 13").

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Oh ok, thanks. Interesting. So I DON'T need to convert to 5 stud? That's good news.

I am upgrading to 17" Volk TE37's so clearance shouldn't be an issue?

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Well, I figured I didn't want ITR brakes because I was looking for a big brake upgrade, not just an upgrade. No this isn't for appearance, but I do want something that look good and performs just as good.

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I'd like to hear more of this. Why is it too much for the car? Does it keep the balanced front/rear brake distribution?

 

Again, converting to 5-lug is not necessary as there are plenty of big brake kits available in 4x100. The 17" Volks should clear any kit with a 12" rotor.

 

i can't wait to put my NSX calipers on

 

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I understand that now. So my question basically is, what big brake upgrades are available (that work with stock ABS)? So far theres been a few mentions of the Wilwood ones, but apparently they aren't recommended? I'd like to know why. And what other options I have.

Thanks

 

These look sick
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1646554

Alternatively, you can pick up a Wilwood kit on ebay for around 500-600 shipped on ebay or a Powerslot caliper relocation kit for 400$.

 

turn abs OFF!!

 

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I understand that now. So my question basically is, what big brake upgrades are available (that work with stock ABS)? So far theres been a few mentions of the Wilwood ones, but apparently they aren't recommended? I'd like to know why. And what other options I have.

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Its all personal preference. I had wilwoods on my old DC2 and now have ITR brakes on my DB8. I find the ITR brakes to be more than enough for all my driving needs. With the wilwoods, they stop more aggressively, which if you're not careful can lead to warped rotors. Wilwood pads and rotor replacements aren't the cheapest in the world, but are reasonably priced. In the end, Its all up to you and what you want.

 

Have you done any upgrades to your braking system yet or is it still stock? I was seriously considering the wildwoods, but deciding on just going with brembo slotted and gransport6 pads. The difference is night and day over stock, you'd be surprised at just what a rotor and pad upgrade can do.

 

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Its all personal preference. I had wilwoods on my old DC2 and now have ITR brakes on my DB8. I find the ITR brakes to be more than enough for all my driving needs. With the wilwoods, they stop more aggressively, which if you're not careful can lead to warped rotors. Wilwood pads and rotor replacements aren't the cheapest in the world, but are reasonably priced. In the end, Its all up to you and what you want. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Complete bullshit. These brakes are cheap to maintain, but the key is maintaining them.

I tracked my car 6-7 times with my 12.2" Wilwood kit and used my car everyday to get to work and school, using D, E, Q and T pads as well as an aggresive Cobalt Friction pad. I NEVER had any rotor problems. As far as I can see, there is no way to "warp" a two piece rotor unless you get done with a 20 min. HPDE session and then just sit idle with your foot on the brake. They are far less susceptible to improper lug warping than a 1 piece iron rotor. Never glazed them either.

Wilwood rotors are way cheap for what they are. New rotors cost ~$40/ea, BUT, if you screw the aluminum rotor hats up, they go for $125/ea.

Wilwood pads are also cheap. Most sets cost ~$50 or so, and you have FAR more pad choices than with any OEM brake caliper. Caliper rebuild kits (they need service every year or so) are ~$25 (does both calipers). Hardware kits are ~$10/ea.

You can expect to lose around 8 lbs. of weight off each side of the car with the Wilwoods. The rotors and calipers are incredibly lightweight. But make no mistake, these are pure race car parts that need race car attention. Which leads me to say...

I DON'T RECOMMEND this kit if you don't plan on tracking your car more than 12 times a year. They are more than you need, and the inevitable maintanence is more trouble than it's worth for a daily driver. Sure, they look good behind your wheel, but Prelude rotors with ITR, Legend or NSX calipers are much more cost effective and more than capable of meeting the Integra's braking needs.

I never used the incredible potential of the Wilwood kit, and most never will, either.

 

why upgrade brakes if you don't road race or autocross?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by undercoverdc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why upgrade brakes if you don't road race or autocross?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Agreed. Some bremblo blanks w/ hawk hp pads is more than enough for any street-driven car.

 

I had the wilwood kit on my teg and I purchased it because it seemed to be a decently priced upgrade compared to say brembo or some other kits. I was completely unsatisfied with fitment and performance. With the shims they give you it is very difficult to get the calipers properly spaced and I experienced very uneven pad wear and was replacing warped rotors on what seemed like a bi monthly basis. I have heard some people saying they liked the kit but I was very unhappy with my purchase. When I was searching 4 answers I came across this from Jeff Evans:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted hybrid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whatever you do, dont waste your time with the wilwood kits. I have had nothing but problems with mine and I am converting back to OEM/honda brakes. I did constant rebuilds on the calipers, had uneven pad wear all the time (stupid required shims) and the braking wasnt that much better than a stock gsr set-up. Honestly the best bang for the buck is 95 Acura Legend GS 28mm thick rotors, 95 Legend GS calipers (2 pistons), Cobalt GT sport pads and braided line. It will fit under a 15" wheel with no wheel spacers. BTW, i had to run a wheel spacer with my wilwoods. This is essentially like running more offset.

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Came from this thread: http://forums.evans-tuning.com...rakes
I only wish I would have read this before I purchased the brakes.