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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 07:17 AM
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 07:48 AM
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what the hell

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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 01:23 PM
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im trying to vote but the page wont load
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 01:33 PM
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we had a few technical difficulties

It's back up now
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 01:36 PM
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so let me see if i understand correctly REF STATION just visual then they send you to a smog station or do u get to choose a smog station and what goes on after the smog again?
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 01:54 PM
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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so let me see if i understand correctly REF STATION just visual then they send you to a smog station or do u get to choose a smog station and what goes on after the smog again?
From what I understand yes. But that does not include JDM swaps unless it is the equiv. of the original motor provided for your car.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 09:43 PM
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 10:43 PM
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so basically d16z6 cars and only be swapped with d15b right? the only way it will work so i cant just throw in a jdm b18c in to my hatch and call it a day anymore? im abit slow i just scimed through
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dub9.Juice
so basically d16z6 cars and only be swapped with d15b right? the only way it will work so i cant just throw in a jdm b18c in to my hatch and call it a day anymore? im abit slow i just scimed through

The way I have understood is yes and no. I think if you first swap in a usdm b18c1, get it ref'd, then swap that out for a jdm b18c, get it re'ref'd you'll be ok. You cant start out with the jdm b18c, you must start with its usdm counterpart.

For the D16Z6, its jdm replacement is the sohc vtec zc or d15b. For those, I wouldnt even waste the time to get it ref'd b/c they look 'stock.'

If ive got something wrong, someone who for sure (100%) knows the rules please correct me.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 11:29 PM
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yeah but if i ref a usdm b18c1 i cant throw in a b18c because on the ref sticker it has the motor code so it will say b18c1 and if cops pops my hood then its bad am i right?
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 11:46 PM
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http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResource...heck_Guide.pdf

Look at page 71.

It's all I could find so far.

here is what it says:

Replacement Engine - A replacement engine is defined as follows:

1. A new, rebuilt, remanufactured, or used engine of the same make, number of cylinders, and engine family as the original engine with the original emission controls reinstalled;

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2. An engine which matches a configuration offered by the manufacturer for that year, make and model of vehicle, and the appropriate emission controls for the installed engine, and chassis components are present and connected.

Vehicles with "replacement engines" should be inspected by licensed smog check stations and not be sent to the state referee.

Example: A 1982 Chevrolet Camaro was originally equipped with a 3.8L engine. It now has a new 5.7L Chevrolet engine installed.

Action: The emission control systems application manual shows that a 1982 Camaro also came from the factory with a 5.7 L engine. The car has all the required emission control system installed for a 1982 Camar with a 5.7 L engine. The car would be tested by the technician as though the 5.7 L engine was factory installed.

All the required emission control equipment for a 1982 Camaro with a 5.7 L engine must be installed and connected.
I think most swaps fall under that category, even people who want to put any B18 series in a civic.

I think this is what this "new law" is talking about. Pay special attention to the part where it says year of vehicle or newer and certified to the same or more stringient new vehicle standard. This is probably where the law is being interpreted to exlude JDM motors since they don't have the same emissions standards; howerver, it should still be legal provided the engine is of the same compression ratio as a US spec engine AND all the US spec emissions control devices are attached and working.

Engine Changes

Section 3362.1 of Title 16 of the California code of Regulations states: "An Automotive Repair Dealer shall not make any motor vehicle engine change which degrades the effectiveness of a vehicle's emission control system. Nor shall said dealer, in the process of rebuilding the original engine or while installing a replacement engine, effect changes that would degrade the effectiveness of the original emission control system and/or components thereof."

An engine change is defined as follows:

An "engine change" is the installation of an engine that is different from the one which was originally installed in the vehicle and does not qualify as a "replacement engine."

The following ensures the provision of the CCR 3362.1 are met.

- The installed engine and emission controls (for an exhaust-controlled vehicle) must be the year of the vehicle or newer, and certified to the same or a more stringient new vehicle certification standard.

- Do not mix engine and vehicle classifications that degrade the emissions certification standards. For example, a heavy-duty engine cannot be installed in a light-duty exhaust controlled chassis even if they are the same displacement. non-emissions controlled power plants such as industrial or "off-road use only" engines may not be installed in any exhaust-controlled vehicle.

- The installed engine and host chassis must retain all of their original emission control equipment. Diesel to gasoline conversion must have all gasoline engine and chassis emission control systems installed.

- No internal or external engine modifications (cams, pistons, etc.) may be performed unless the parts/systems are ARB exempted or are EPA certified for use on the installed engine.

- If a computer-controlled engine is installed in a non-computerized vehicle, the MIL "Check Engine" light, OEM diagnostic link, and all sensors, switches, and wiring harnesses need to make the system fully functional must be installed. The computer control systems must operate correctly.

Example: A 1980 Datsun pickup was originally equipped with a 2.0 liter four-cylinder engine. it now has a V-6 engine installed from a 1993 Chevrolet S-10 pickup

Action: If the vehicle is equipped with a BAR Referee Label, Smog check stations can inspect the vehicle using the emission controls system information listed on the label.

If the vehicle does not have a BAR label, refer the customer to the BAR Referee. The referee will make a determination of the correct emission control equipment and install a corresponding BAR Referee Label. thereafter, a licensed Smog Check station can inspect the vehicle in accordance with the equipment listed on the label.
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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Dub9.Juice
yeah but if i ref a usdm b18c1 i cant throw in a b18c because on the ref sticker it has the motor code so it will say b18c1 and if cops pops my hood then its bad am i right?

Re-read my post again. You missed the part where I said "re-ref'd." Again though, thats how i understand it but i may be wrong.
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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 12:58 PM
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ohh see told u i usally just scimm through
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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 05:08 PM
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f*ck it foo just ride dirty untill you get caught
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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 05:47 PM
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just get a pre 75 datsun 510 and throw a sr20 in that biotch
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Old Apr 30, 2009 | 07:14 PM
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bump to fight the good fight
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Old May 1, 2009 | 03:49 PM
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i voted, count me in.
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Old May 1, 2009 | 05:43 PM
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Well it depends on the ref. My ref just placed b18 on my bar sticker.
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Old May 1, 2009 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by eg6style
Well it depends on the ref. My ref just placed b18 on my bar sticker.
naw budd its not the refs its every ref station now
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Old May 6, 2009 | 07:35 PM
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any news yet????
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Old May 7, 2009 | 12:19 PM
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still working. I need more support. So far, I only have 14 people added to my myspace page. 2 of them are aftermarket parts manufacturers, so that might help withthe financial part, but I think we need more individual support.

www.myspace.com/stopthecarefs
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Old May 10, 2009 | 11:48 PM
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********UPDATE**********


Please see the voting thread for an update on the "who, what, why, how, when, and where" of this whole JDM motor ban situation.

Our new target: CARB
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Old May 11, 2009 | 12:31 AM
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california is one shitty state .....i really wanna move before its too late
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Old May 11, 2009 | 12:35 AM
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yeah i had to do a smog using another motor the jdm motor was rendered illegal but its back in mycar **** california
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