B16b 0r gSR
06-08-2005, 04:29 PM
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B16b 0r gSR
I know Gsr motors have higher Hp, so why do B16b motors cost more, is it because it is a type R? Don't really see to much b16b motors????
06-08-2005, 04:35 PM
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Re: B16b 0r gSR (dreams_of_ek9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dreams_of_ek9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Don't really see to much b16b motors????</TD></TR></TABLE>
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You answered your own question
06-08-2005, 04:46 PM
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ok actualy the b16b motors have more hp (185hp) vs the GSR 170hp. the b16b is a much more rare motor to come across, since its from civic type r's. and obviously there are none made for the US market. so theres your answer
06-08-2005, 04:54 PM
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Re: B16b 0r gSR (dreams_of_ek9)
I say go GSR. If you were to get the JDM GSR swap you're only down 5hp but have more torque and more money left over for the swap or buy parts.
06-08-2005, 05:13 PM
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Re: B16b 0r gSR (joe_bocc)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by joe_bocc »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I say go GSR. If you were to get the JDM GSR swap you're only down 5hp but have more torque and more money left over for the swap or buy parts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
06-08-2005, 05:37 PM
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Re: B16b 0r gSR (dreams_of_ek9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dreams_of_ek9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know Gsr motors have higher Hp, so why do B16b motors cost more, is it because it is a type R? Don't really see to much b16b motors????</TD></TR></TABLE>
b16bs come with a excellent head and a excellent LSD tranny. the block is also a ITR block with a balanced b16 crank thrown in there. It's actually just a destroked ITR motor. and you can take the CTR pistons and throw a GSR/ITR/LS crank/rods in there to have a higher piston speed (more torque)
don't let anyone give you that whole "torque" ordeal. It's all in the piston speed. Get a b16 and a 4.928 final drive and you'll smoke gsr swaps all day long with less tq and hp.
b16bs come with a excellent head and a excellent LSD tranny. the block is also a ITR block with a balanced b16 crank thrown in there. It's actually just a destroked ITR motor. and you can take the CTR pistons and throw a GSR/ITR/LS crank/rods in there to have a higher piston speed (more torque)
don't let anyone give you that whole "torque" ordeal. It's all in the piston speed. Get a b16 and a 4.928 final drive and you'll smoke gsr swaps all day long with less tq and hp.
06-08-2005, 06:30 PM
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Re: B16b 0r gSR (bense)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bense »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b16bs come with a excellent head and a excellent LSD tranny. the block is also a ITR block with a balanced b16 crank thrown in there. It's actually just a destroked ITR motor. and you can take the CTR pistons and throw a GSR/ITR/LS crank/rods in there to have a higher piston speed (more torque)
don't let anyone give you that whole "torque" ordeal. It's all in the piston speed. Get a b16 and a 4.928 final drive and you'll smoke gsr swaps all day long with less tq and hp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
nicely put.
don't let anyone give you that whole "torque" ordeal. It's all in the piston speed. Get a b16 and a 4.928 final drive and you'll smoke gsr swaps all day long with less tq and hp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
nicely put.
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06-09-2005, 01:35 PM
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Re: B16b 0r gSR (bense)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bense »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
b16bs come with a excellent head and a excellent LSD tranny. the block is also a ITR block with a balanced b16 crank thrown in there. It's actually just a destroked ITR motor. and you can take the CTR pistons and throw a GSR/ITR/LS crank/rods in there to have a higher piston speed (more torque)
don't let anyone give you that whole "torque" ordeal. It's all in the piston speed. Get a b16 and a 4.928 final drive and you'll smoke gsr swaps all day long with less tq and hp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well said if you think a ctr is a waste of money then it wasn't meant for you. LOL
b16bs come with a excellent head and a excellent LSD tranny. the block is also a ITR block with a balanced b16 crank thrown in there. It's actually just a destroked ITR motor. and you can take the CTR pistons and throw a GSR/ITR/LS crank/rods in there to have a higher piston speed (more torque)
don't let anyone give you that whole "torque" ordeal. It's all in the piston speed. Get a b16 and a 4.928 final drive and you'll smoke gsr swaps all day long with less tq and hp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well said if you think a ctr is a waste of money then it wasn't meant for you. LOL
06-09-2005, 01:45 PM
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Re: B16b 0r gSR (japspec)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bense »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b16bs come with a excellent head and a excellent LSD tranny. the block is also a ITR block with a balanced b16 crank thrown in there. It's actually just a destroked ITR motor. and you can take the CTR pistons and throw a GSR/ITR/LS crank/rods in there to have a higher piston speed (more torque)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Couldnt the same approach be taken with the GSR motor though. If he is going to be changing pistons and cranks etc anyway, why not buy a JDM b18c w/ optional LSD and go to town with a handfull of hype R parts (insert techno-babble Im too tired to get into).
Why not buy an LS for $500 and throw the other $3000 he saved into it.
What I mean by this is, he needs to decide what he wants. Does he want something to tear-apart and build-up. Or something he can take out of the box and call it a day. This response is solely for argument-sake.
Couldnt the same approach be taken with the GSR motor though. If he is going to be changing pistons and cranks etc anyway, why not buy a JDM b18c w/ optional LSD and go to town with a handfull of hype R parts (insert techno-babble Im too tired to get into).
Why not buy an LS for $500 and throw the other $3000 he saved into it.
What I mean by this is, he needs to decide what he wants. Does he want something to tear-apart and build-up. Or something he can take out of the box and call it a day. This response is solely for argument-sake.
06-09-2005, 08:58 PM
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Re: B16b 0r gSR (mwieczorek43)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mwieczorek43 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Couldnt the same approach be taken with the GSR motor though. If he is going to be changing pistons and cranks etc anyway, why not buy a JDM b18c w/ optional LSD and go to town with a handfull of hype R parts (insert techno-babble Im too tired to get into).
Why not buy an LS for $500 and throw the other $3000 he saved into it.
What I mean by this is, he needs to decide what he wants. Does he want something to tear-apart and build-up. Or something he can take out of the box and call it a day. This response is solely for argument-sake. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i would go that route, however, he'd have to port his head, and get a whole valve train, as well as cams. I have thought about taking this route before, however, i don't like the GSR gearing. bone stock gsr with gsr gearing will lose to a bone stock gsr with itr/b16 gearing.
I did the calculations once before, on changing out the final drive on a b16 to have the same piston speed as a gsr and i came somewhere around ~4.9 and i figured that this is why the ATS engineers chose the "magical" 4.928 for their aftermarket b-series final drive
Why not buy an LS for $500 and throw the other $3000 he saved into it.
What I mean by this is, he needs to decide what he wants. Does he want something to tear-apart and build-up. Or something he can take out of the box and call it a day. This response is solely for argument-sake.
</TD></TR></TABLE>i would go that route, however, he'd have to port his head, and get a whole valve train, as well as cams. I have thought about taking this route before, however, i don't like the GSR gearing. bone stock gsr with gsr gearing will lose to a bone stock gsr with itr/b16 gearing.
I did the calculations once before, on changing out the final drive on a b16 to have the same piston speed as a gsr and i came somewhere around ~4.9 and i figured that this is why the ATS engineers chose the "magical" 4.928 for their aftermarket b-series final drive
06-10-2005, 01:57 AM
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Re: B16b 0r gSR (bense)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bense »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and you can take the CTR pistons and throw a GSR/ITR/LS crank/rods in there to have a higher piston speed (more torque)
don't let anyone give you that whole "torque" ordeal. It's all in the piston speed. Get a b16 and a 4.928 final drive and you'll smoke gsr swaps all day long with less tq and hp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Piston speed by itself has nothing to do with torque. Rather, (crankshaft) torque is mostly dependent on how much air/fuel mixture you can get into the engine. With more and/or bigger cylinders, you can get more air/fuel mixture into the engine (all other factors being equal, that is). On the other hand, you can also get more torque at the wheels with shorter gears on a smaller engine that spins higher RPMs.
don't let anyone give you that whole "torque" ordeal. It's all in the piston speed. Get a b16 and a 4.928 final drive and you'll smoke gsr swaps all day long with less tq and hp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Piston speed by itself has nothing to do with torque. Rather, (crankshaft) torque is mostly dependent on how much air/fuel mixture you can get into the engine. With more and/or bigger cylinders, you can get more air/fuel mixture into the engine (all other factors being equal, that is). On the other hand, you can also get more torque at the wheels with shorter gears on a smaller engine that spins higher RPMs.
06-10-2005, 01:40 PM
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Re: B16b 0r gSR (StorminMatt)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StorminMatt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Piston speed by itself has nothing to do with torque. Rather, (crankshaft) torque is mostly dependent on how much air/fuel mixture you can get into the engine. With more and/or bigger cylinders, you can get more air/fuel mixture into the engine (all other factors being equal, that is). On the other hand, you can also get more torque at the wheels with shorter gears on a smaller engine that spins higher RPMs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nice info.
Piston speed by itself has nothing to do with torque. Rather, (crankshaft) torque is mostly dependent on how much air/fuel mixture you can get into the engine. With more and/or bigger cylinders, you can get more air/fuel mixture into the engine (all other factors being equal, that is). On the other hand, you can also get more torque at the wheels with shorter gears on a smaller engine that spins higher RPMs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nice info.
06-10-2005, 06:22 PM
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Re: B16b 0r gSR (StorminMatt)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StorminMatt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Piston speed by itself has nothing to do with torque. Rather, (crankshaft) torque is mostly dependent on how much air/fuel mixture you can get into the engine. With more and/or bigger cylinders, you can get more air/fuel mixture into the engine (all other factors being equal, that is). On the other hand, you can also get more torque at the wheels with shorter gears on a smaller engine that spins higher RPMs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
that doesn't make sense. because you're saying that piston speed doesn't effect torque, but then you're saying that shorter gears gives you more torque. Shorter gears do nothing but effect the piston speed, or amount of RPMs being used at a given speed. For example:
b16 has a 77mm stroke. with 205/50/15s and b16/itr gearing the motor sits at about 4450rpm at 80mph in 5th gear.
77mm x 2 = 154mm this is the amount of distance that the piston travels each rpm.
4450rpm times the amont of distance that the piston travels yields
4450 x 154 = 685300mm traveled per minute.
now gsr/itr stroke = 87.2mm
now let's see what what rpm it takes that motor to be spinning at, to equivalent the amount of distance. in this scenario being 685300mm
87.2 x 2 = 174.4
685300 / 174.4 = 3929.4725 rpm
so that means that when the b18c is at 3929.4725 RPM that it's moving the same amount as the b16 at 4450 RPM.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StorminMatt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On the other hand, you can also get more torque at the wheels with shorter gears on a smaller engine that spins higher RPMs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i'm going to assume that you mean horsepower becase we all know that torque and RPM are the two derivatives of HP.
more torque plus less RPM = less torque and higher RPM
not always the case, but that's the main point that i am trying to argue here.
that doesn't make sense. because you're saying that piston speed doesn't effect torque, but then you're saying that shorter gears gives you more torque. Shorter gears do nothing but effect the piston speed, or amount of RPMs being used at a given speed. For example:
b16 has a 77mm stroke. with 205/50/15s and b16/itr gearing the motor sits at about 4450rpm at 80mph in 5th gear.
77mm x 2 = 154mm this is the amount of distance that the piston travels each rpm.
4450rpm times the amont of distance that the piston travels yields
4450 x 154 = 685300mm traveled per minute.
now gsr/itr stroke = 87.2mm
now let's see what what rpm it takes that motor to be spinning at, to equivalent the amount of distance. in this scenario being 685300mm
87.2 x 2 = 174.4
685300 / 174.4 = 3929.4725 rpm
so that means that when the b18c is at 3929.4725 RPM that it's moving the same amount as the b16 at 4450 RPM.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StorminMatt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On the other hand, you can also get more torque at the wheels with shorter gears on a smaller engine that spins higher RPMs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i'm going to assume that you mean horsepower becase we all know that torque and RPM are the two derivatives of HP.
more torque plus less RPM = less torque and higher RPM
not always the case, but that's the main point that i am trying to argue here.
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