Alright I just bought a 92' Prelude... Everything is fine with the interior and exterior excluding the engine of course... Its not that its a bad apple... Its just going to be soon... So I need to know which engine would be best to replace it... or if rebuilding it is the best idea... Ive got about 1500 to spend on a new engine... I was thinking H-22a1, But I hear of oil burning and other minor problems. If anyone has any information for me please help me out... Thanks guys.

 

h22 all the way

 

h22 =

 

Hrmmm which model of the H-22? *There might only be one Im not sure Im new to Honda*

Also would it be better *cheaper at all?* to rebuild the engine than to purchase one with low milage? *under 40k*

Thanks.

 

H22A = JDM (Few more ponies, but a lot more $$$)

H22A1 = 4th Generation Prelude USDM, OBD-I ( Theses can be found within your price range, but will probably have fairly high milage.

H22A4 = 5th Generation Prelude USDM, OBD-II ( Probably your best bet, you can find these within your price range and can be found with fairly low milage)

 

just to let you know you can get the jdm h22a for the same price as the usdm h22a1 at hmotorsonline.com i recommend getting a nice tranny with lsd if you have the money.

take the old h23 you have and sell it to get some of the money back.

 

Go H22, JDM if ya can find one. That's what I am doing, scraping that H23.. I wanted to Frankenstain my H23, but don't have time before school.. So JDM it becomes..

 

I heard JDM has alot of problems with their engines in the electronic region. Ive recently heard that many things such as the switch and wiring for the fan have gone wrong. What is the specific JDM I should get...?
Such as H22 a1? a4? etc... I would like the best "bang" for my buck of course. Horsepower etc... Id like to get an engine for around 1200... Not including install. I dont know how much install should cost but Im assuming around 300-500... Any help in the JDM questions and the Install and Engine price questions would be very appreciated.

Thanks,
White.

 

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You're going to have a hard time pulling a h22 swap off for 1500$

 

Ive got a friend who just got an H-22a1 with 50k miles for 600 dollars and was charged 400 for install from a local Tuning Shop... =/. I dont know if I can get the same "deal" but I know its possible.

I just hope its a good engine... Id hate to have to invest even more in a third engine.

Thanks guys.

 

Was it stolen?Lemme find out for 1G I can swap in a low mileage h22a... lol

 

for 1500 I can't see you getting an h22 and if you do you'll probably end up using your h23 tranny. But a used head package, p&p plus cams, there are a couple for sale and plunk in some h22 pistons to up your compression. You could do that for about a grand probably less and make better power than an h22, and if your not satisfied with that buy a cheapo zex kit for 400 buck drop a 75 shot on and run who knows a 13 flat maybe for 1400. You'd probably end up having uberdata or something cheap and a little bit of dyno time. Who knows, depends where you want to end up. Just my $.02

 

I dont know "how" the Tuning Shop got the engine for Jasons Honda. The H23 Tranny would be used on Prelude until I can save up for a new one along with slave and master cyl. I see the Tranny as being the second most important... They both run fine right now... but the key words are "right now"

BokChoy :
Would I use the H23 block? Would I buy the head package for the H22 or 23? And how much would H22 pistons cost me? I appreciate the help guys.

 

You COULD in theory get an h23 block - but other things come along with that. I say you buy a f22 motor to throw in your prelude. I've heard from my buddies that its faster than the h22a. I heard it only has 120hp but the torque is at 230lbs/ft.....thats nice isn't it........

Nah....j/k.....

just get the h22 block and head.....pistons cost around 400-700.........depending on the application....loook on ebay or honda-performance.com

 

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if u are trying to stay "cheap" i would rebuild ur block, and delete the balance shafts(to replace them from honda they're more than the kit to delete them) and buy an h22 head, i've got a few for sale, complete for 400$ and then just get an ecu and add the vtec wiring, etc, and u've got better than either.. the best of both worlds

 

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The pistons that this cracker jack would put into his H23 block would be normal H22 pistons since hes not sleeving the block,just to up the compresion a bit. And H22 pistons tend to run around $200-$250, not $400-$700

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4thGenOwner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont know "how" the Tuning Shop got the engine for Jasons Honda. The H23 Tranny would be used on Prelude until I can save up for a new one along with slave and master cyl. I see the Tranny as being the second most important... They both run fine right now... but the key words are "right now"

BokChoy :
Would I use the H23 block? Would I buy the head package for the H22 or 23? And how much would H22 pistons cost me? I appreciate the help guys.

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I would look around on here, I've seen h22 pistons mounted to h23 rods go for 100 bucks, you'd likely still buy new rings, but thats pretty cheap. I'd throw those in an h23 block and buy an h23 head with cams and a p&p done to it. H23 vtec doesn't sound llike the rout for you, its a fair amount of work and if you don't do the work yourself it will cost you! Additionally I think that with the heads capability and an unbuilt bottom end you'd push the h23 bottom end too far. To put down 190 whp with what I mentioned will be fairly easy and @ that point you will still be making like 170 plus wheel tq. That buries an h22 for less money, if you are going all out and want huge numbers easier save more and buy the h22, I wouldn't though... I didn't.

 

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i keep hearing this from people.. can i ask u a ?.. have u built an h23?.. how much work is it really?... how much do u think it would really cost? comparing this hybrid to a ls/vtec motor w/ stock bottom end.. how diff is it?... the point like the ls/vtec is not "having" to rev the motor that much due to the increased stroke.. so i dont see the problems, since im about to do one myself.. please enlighten me.

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=846957
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=913469
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=600048
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=441374
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=510617 (is alot of work 4 a nooB, no?)

Aside from the problems some of those guys have had, very knowledable H series owners, if you search and find dyno sheets they aren't making justifiable power. I'm not saying it can't be done cause it can. I haven't seen too many @ 20K miles because they don't seem to last. Yes 2point6 has a great stroker motor but @ what cost and with how much work? I don't see the average guy being up to the task building his (2point6's) motor. If you are going to be the exception to the rule and have a reliable h23vtec that takes no work and has no problems congratulations you'll be one of the first. If you'll note he only has 1500 dollars and he wants the best bang for his buck... I don't think he wants to spend 1500 on some ghetto h23vtec and be broke when it blows. I noticed you said you were ABOUT to start to build your h23 vtec so I guess you have no more first hand knowledge than anyone else. Whatever you choose, good luck though

 

JDM H22A!!!

 

yeah im about to, not meaning im just talking i have an h23 block and 3 h22 blocks... torn apart, so i can compare the differences between them.. personally i dont believe "everything" i read on these forums and wanted to makes sure of the extent of work it would take and if it was worth it... like u said he's a noob, so u think he would even be "attempting" to swap his motor for "any" motor himself?..

oh and i checked those links.. they prove nothing, actually just the opposite.. alot of those guys were advocates of the swap.. they only problems were improper installation of parts on a fully built motor...

got a ? 4 ya.. have u ever taken or built either an h22, h23 or h23vtec.. do u "personally" know how "hard" it is..

when i asked u the initial questions.. i just wanted to hear u point of view, i hear alot of people voicing the same opinions, but they are usually the one's who hadnt done the head swap..


Modified by jmcmil6 at 9:02 AM 8/1/2005

 

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got a ? 4 ya.. have u ever taken or built either an h22, h23 or h23vtec.. do u "personally" know how "hard" it is..

Ummmm... I have a 210 whp all motor h23 that puts down 178wtq running on a stock ecu because I haven't tuned with my ems yet. It only runs a 13.8 on street tires weighing in @ 2760 not saying its the best but how many h23's you seen doing that? My bottom end is built to spin to 8500 and my stock ecu quit making power @ 6400 because it added too much fuel so you think with the EMS it will make more or less? Not to mention if I put a slick on and lose the heavy *** 18's. I don't know if that counts to you or not... after all you do have several motor in pieces in your garage. How could you overlook the single common thread in all those posts, blown motors! Whatever your one of those fools who always knows better and has never tried yet. You go ahead and be the exception to the rule, good luck

By the way b4 this h23 I had another built h23 a little less built stock sleeves and h22 pistons and b4 that I did an h22, fun motor but I missed the bottom end for autoXing.

 

the common thread that they werent put together "right".. and about ur so called set-ups.. i call bs... and i dont just 'have' motors sitting around my house for fun, its cause i've built my h22 bottom end myself and its held over 26psi on pump gas and i have people that can account for that.. well i'll make sure to let you kno when im done w/ my h23/vtec

getting back to the original topic.. like the kid said he has 1500 bucks.. so i guess it would be easier and cheaper for him to buy an h22 and swap the whole thing in for that much... i offered an opinion take it or leave it.. and u my friend... well ill save my comments cause this isnt the correct place for it...cept for good luck drag racing in ur boat on ur 20's, im sure u amaze the crowd w/ all that chrome on ur wheels.