1337 Si

OK, I know I posted this in someone else's post but I might as well start my own to save each of us from the confusion. I currently have a 00 EM1 (si) that is running stock front brakes and calipers. My question is this: will (92-96) Prelude VTEC rotors redrilled to 4x100 work with the stock Civic knuckle and hub with the Spoon calipers or will I have to use spacers or modify something? Reason I ask this is because I was thinking about getting the 5 lug conversion, but if I can do this I am saving myself a shitload of money. I already have the calipers in my basement so I don't have to spend the money on them. WOuld I need Integra knuckles? Iw ouldn't think I woul dbecause the CTR uses the same knuckle/hub and the EM1? I mean 32mm axles and what not. I could be thinking out my ***.Any help or insight or anything wll be helpful. Thanks.

1337 Si

TTT

137

The calipers wont fit 4x100. now sell them to me since I have a 5 lug.

You are better off sending a pm to fastbrakes here on the site or e mailing the customer service dept of fastbrakes.com if anyone can answer your question it's going to be them.

Their 4x100 11.5 front rotor upgrade basically gives you the front brakes of the ITR w/o going 5 lug using itr or ctr calipers which are essentially the same.

However, using any other caliper besides the willwood's with that set up brings up the question of wheel clearance. Unless you are running 15's with a certain offset or 16's with a certain offset I am not so sure the calipers will allow the wheels to fit with your modified mounting bracket.

I believe the wilwood calipers are smaller than the spoons as well as the ctr and itr calipers.

Hope that half *** answers your question.

You could always join the darkside and go 5 lug like me!

If all else fails shoot me a price and we will talk if you ever give up

1337 Si

If that is the case explain this to me: why will the prelude rotors will work with stock ITR calipers. I have seen a couple set-ups like that on EG chassis cars on here before. Besides, Inlinefour.com shows and says that the caliper will work and fit on the redrilled Prelude rotor. Also, I have 16in Rota Slipstreams.

137

This is why my good man we have that search button on the top of the screen. Do a search in this forum for how to put y brakes on x car or something like that and you will come up with

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=152884 <--- This

137

and after all of your questions are answered you will get bored of your si soon anyways or your car will get stolen so I will save you the heartache and you can just sell me the calipers lol.

1337 Si

Sure looks like it will work:

My $0.02?
Don't spend a lot of work to get just "better" braking on your 1992-1995 Civic. If you're going to do it, go for SUPERIOR braking.

Do what Honda did.

Pick one of the biggest rotors and biggest calipers you can fit under the wheel.

Integra type R.

Either get the front Integra spindles and calipers and rotors ....ORRRR.... you can do it yourself and retain your 4 lug wheels.

How? Not too difficult, if you can grind. Civic EX spindles. 1991 Accord WAGON calipers, and 1994 Prelude VTEC rotors.

The Wagon calipers have to have the backing plate ground about 5mm to make them fit the caliper, but you can do it waterboy.

The Prelude VTEC rotors have to be redrilled to 4x100, but a good machine shop will charge you about $30 per rotor.

Of course, you can get lazy and just have Brian Hasty at Fastbrakes.com do all this stuff for you, but hey? Who am I to criticize?

Shawn

For anyone that has questions about prelude rotors and type r caliper on an eg. I put everything togethor for really cheap and they look sick behind my rims, not to mention it brakes alot better than when I had the cx brakes on! In order for this conversion to work you also have to use a coupe Si spindle and obviously get the rotors redrilled to 4x100 at a machine shop, that is it, no other modification. Correct me if I'm wrong but this set up is the biggest rotor and single piston caliper honda makes.

Haven't seen much on the vtec prelude front brake swap, and since i've just done mine...
Fits on:
Civics, Integras
15" wheels minimum

Parts:
2x blank prelude replacement rotors (280-282mm?)
2x prelude front calipers
2x 5mm spacers

Basically a bolt on procedure providing you have the 5mm spacer on the hub-side of the brake rotor. If you don't like the idea of using spacers, or your wheel studs are a bit loose at the tips, then it may be better to shim the caliper mount back 5mm instead.

It is preferable to have at least a 15/16 master cylinder, although a 7/8 will still work ok, just slightly more spongy.

Hope i'm not repeating something everyone already knows?

Wont work eh?

137

guess not. From re reading your post it seems that you are either quoting people and adding your own commentary or you are quoting two seperate things that seem unclear, but the itr calipers are single piston I believe and the spoons are 4 pot right?

Its been a while since I read any of this ****.

looks like you are going 5 lug eh.

Nova_Dust

Doesn't Spoon sell 4 lug rotor upgrade kit for their 4 pot calipers?

Evs-One

Lude rotors are the same size as ITR, and will work wioth Spoon calipers. But you need the GSR/Civic ABS spindle to mount the caliper too tho

137

The question is has anyone done it, or can it be done? In theory it sounds like it will work but, not sure if anyone has mixed and matched all of these components sucessfully.

chad

in simple terms...

YES IT WILL WORK...but you will have to use a spacer on the rotor or on the calipers....

yes....i have seen it done...local kid has it done....

137

....it aint that hard

Evs-One

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 137 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The question is has anyone done it, or can it be done? In theory it sounds like it will work but, not sure if anyone has mixed and matched all of these components sucessfully. </TD></TR></TABLE>

of course, we do it all the time.

Most people redrill ITR calipers, but now we're using Lude rotors....22 bucks a piece , and hubcentric

1337 Si

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That is what I thought. I remember seeing someone doing this on their EG a while back. Mabye I just should get the damned 5 lug.

spoondek

so you have to use the 4x114 prelude vtec rotors. not the 5x114 rotors.

menkio

ahh.. so much mis-information about honda brake swaps. please don't comment on this topic unless you know what you are talking about.