d16y7 - d16y8 Mini Me Swap
02-04-2003, 10:07 AM
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d16y7 - d16y8 Mini Me Swap
Well all my parts are ordered and will be at my house tonight when i get home.
Before i start in on it is there anything i should do before disconnecting the head, the lines etc..?
anyone whos done this who could give me some pointers it'd be very helpful.
Before i start in on it is there anything i should do before disconnecting the head, the lines etc..?
anyone whos done this who could give me some pointers it'd be very helpful.
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02-04-2003, 10:13 AM
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Re: d16y7 - d16y8 Mini Me Swap (devonic)
here is a FAQ that my friend chris put together...
liam
**start post**
From: "Chris Fitzpatrick" <chris@tiora.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [hondalist] Gonna swap a Y8 o to a Y7, need advice on
ANYTHING..
below is the small writeup ive done for a mini-me swap...
word of warning.. if the y8 head is a 96-98 and the y8 intake manifold is a
99 or 00 you will need to plug up the injector breather vents (i used
permatex) or else you will have a major intake manifold leak.
Here are the parts you will need:
y8 head / intake manifold / throttle body / ecu etc.. basicly everything
head up from the y8
you will need to get a knock sensor since the y8 ecu expects a knock sensor
and y7s didnt come with them, i would try to find one used since from honda
they are around $150 new, there is a port this screws into on the back of
the block right above the oil filter near the top of the block (its pre
threaded). you will want to do this and run a wire for it before you put
your y8 head/manifold on since its near impossible to get to.
as far as wiring there are 6 wires to deal with:
1 for knock sensor (1 pin, must be added see above)
2 for vtec pressure switch (2 pins)
1 for vtec solinoid (1 pin on usually green plug)
2 for idle air control valve (canister hangs off back of y8 manifold near
throttle body with 2 pins)
you can either try to move the wires in your y7 harness or just run new ones
(you can feed them through the boot under the battery holder), since I
couldnt figure out how to remove the pins from the harness and relocate them
without destroying the plug or pins i decided to just run new wires. this
way you can just plug your y7 ecu back into the harness later on if needed
without redoing the wiring again.
4 wires will need to go inside of the car to the ecu, 2 are connected to
things in the engine bay
in engine bay wires:
-one of the pins of the IAC valve, goes to the middle pin on the y7 iac
valve connector, the y7 has a 3 pin connector the y8 has a 2 pin, the other
pin from the y8 iac will run to the ecu (see below)
-one of the pins of the vtec pressure switch needs to goto a good ground,
the other pin runs to the ecu (see below)
from what i can tell it doesnt mater which pin on those two connectors goes
to the engine bay connection (above) or ecu connection (below)
in ecu wires:
here is the pinout for the 96-98 ecu's
http://tech.hybridgarage.com/tech/6g...les/EKpinA.jpg
(A/32p)
http://tech.hybridgarage.com/tech/6g...les/EKpinC.jpg
(C/31p)
http://tech.hybridgarage.com/tech/6g...les/EKpinD.jpg
(D/16p)
-the wire from the knock sensor will goto pin 6 (KS) on plug D/16p
-the wire from the vtec pressure switch will goto pin 15 (VTM) on plug C/31p
-the wire from the vtec solenoid will goto pin 8 (VTSOL) on plug A/32p
-the wire from the iac valve will goto pin 12 (IACV) on plug A/32p
i soldered the wires to the pin connections in the ecu (notched a hole in
the ecu to run the wires into it)
other than the wiring there isnt much to the swap, you just remove the y7
head, put a new headgasket down then put on the y8 head. just make sure to
follow the procedures in a maintenance book (haynes manual recommended).
if you are going to use the y8 exhaust manifold/cat you will need to extend
the wires on the second O2 sensor and then get your exhaust modified to mat
up to the cat (dx exhaust at least on the sedans will go to far forward and
about 10" needs to be cut off for the ex cat to fit under the car)
-Chris
**end post**
Hope it helps...
liam
[Modified by liam821, 11:14 AM 2/4/2003]
liam
**start post**
From: "Chris Fitzpatrick" <chris@tiora.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [hondalist] Gonna swap a Y8 o to a Y7, need advice on
ANYTHING..
below is the small writeup ive done for a mini-me swap...
word of warning.. if the y8 head is a 96-98 and the y8 intake manifold is a
99 or 00 you will need to plug up the injector breather vents (i used
permatex) or else you will have a major intake manifold leak.
Here are the parts you will need:
y8 head / intake manifold / throttle body / ecu etc.. basicly everything
head up from the y8
you will need to get a knock sensor since the y8 ecu expects a knock sensor
and y7s didnt come with them, i would try to find one used since from honda
they are around $150 new, there is a port this screws into on the back of
the block right above the oil filter near the top of the block (its pre
threaded). you will want to do this and run a wire for it before you put
your y8 head/manifold on since its near impossible to get to.
as far as wiring there are 6 wires to deal with:
1 for knock sensor (1 pin, must be added see above)
2 for vtec pressure switch (2 pins)
1 for vtec solinoid (1 pin on usually green plug)
2 for idle air control valve (canister hangs off back of y8 manifold near
throttle body with 2 pins)
you can either try to move the wires in your y7 harness or just run new ones
(you can feed them through the boot under the battery holder), since I
couldnt figure out how to remove the pins from the harness and relocate them
without destroying the plug or pins i decided to just run new wires. this
way you can just plug your y7 ecu back into the harness later on if needed
without redoing the wiring again.
4 wires will need to go inside of the car to the ecu, 2 are connected to
things in the engine bay
in engine bay wires:
-one of the pins of the IAC valve, goes to the middle pin on the y7 iac
valve connector, the y7 has a 3 pin connector the y8 has a 2 pin, the other
pin from the y8 iac will run to the ecu (see below)
-one of the pins of the vtec pressure switch needs to goto a good ground,
the other pin runs to the ecu (see below)
from what i can tell it doesnt mater which pin on those two connectors goes
to the engine bay connection (above) or ecu connection (below)
in ecu wires:
here is the pinout for the 96-98 ecu's
http://tech.hybridgarage.com/tech/6g...les/EKpinA.jpg
(A/32p)
http://tech.hybridgarage.com/tech/6g...les/EKpinC.jpg
(C/31p)
http://tech.hybridgarage.com/tech/6g...les/EKpinD.jpg
(D/16p)
-the wire from the knock sensor will goto pin 6 (KS) on plug D/16p
-the wire from the vtec pressure switch will goto pin 15 (VTM) on plug C/31p
-the wire from the vtec solenoid will goto pin 8 (VTSOL) on plug A/32p
-the wire from the iac valve will goto pin 12 (IACV) on plug A/32p
i soldered the wires to the pin connections in the ecu (notched a hole in
the ecu to run the wires into it)
other than the wiring there isnt much to the swap, you just remove the y7
head, put a new headgasket down then put on the y8 head. just make sure to
follow the procedures in a maintenance book (haynes manual recommended).
if you are going to use the y8 exhaust manifold/cat you will need to extend
the wires on the second O2 sensor and then get your exhaust modified to mat
up to the cat (dx exhaust at least on the sedans will go to far forward and
about 10" needs to be cut off for the ex cat to fit under the car)
-Chris
**end post**
Hope it helps...
liam
[Modified by liam821, 11:14 AM 2/4/2003]
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