This is the exact advice I'd give. No strut bar will do for you what a 4-point autopower roll bar will for chassis rigidity.

Pillar bars are blah...save your money...again for a roll -bar.

And sway bars...****...I STILL don't run with one and my car is a screamer on the track. The 2-minute barrier at Buttonwillow is a good indicator of a FAST car. The Honda Challenge national champ went 2:01 in my car with my crappy omnipower coilovers and that was only running 5 laps. Sooooooo, I just ran with stiffer springs in the rear. I really need one now though since my koni/gc set-up is 11k front and rear. Look for pics of the ASR full set-up installed on my car soon

 

You dont even run a front? I need to get an autopower next, and build those damn st brackets, whats this ASR you speak off?

 

nick how u feel about the ST front, i have one (not installed) Im going for a nice handling car, mind you my crx makes 440whp so i dont want something too twitchy. my logic is the front and rear will help balance out the car.

 

If you dont have a rear bar dont get a front. Itll just increase understeer. Does the cars rear end come around easy?

 

Idk....I haven't pushed it once since installing the c/o's

and the tires are garbage....so I feel like before getting any real indication on handling I'd be beyond the limits of the tires.

 

I'm trying to find a pic of it or dimensions...probably will have to call ST

and this is the ASR sway for our cars

 

why do you guys prefer oversteer rather than understeer. I feel more in control if I have a tad more understeer rather than saying oh **** I'm not able to turn in more... just my opinion.

 

I have both, but on my previous setup i spun out hard and kinda dont want to loose the car so easily, remember the power my ef is putting down (not to discredit anyone elses setups)

 

Im confused on if you are for or against a front bar...

 

I have both, i havent installed them just getting peoples thoughts on them The reason for the spin out could of been other thinks (ES rear trailing arm bushing) but since that day ive been kinda ***** about sway bars

 

I take my car through some low speed curves at high speeds, i've only had one close call from being cut off once and my reaction almost made me spin out,but i kept the car in control. Without my front sway though i think id have ended up in the la river seriously injured or dead. Also im running prothane rear bushings and they feel great, however i do believe they add some snap steer to the car.

 

here you go boosted and blu. hope this is the bracket your need dimensions for. kinda crappy pics but you get the idea lol

 

Just throwing this out there

i didnt use that bracket with the aftermarket LCAS. i used a longer bolt, turned the heim 90* to its self and made a spacer to bolt it to the hole in the LCA.

 

Yea there are a few ways to connect the sway bar to the LCA. I say use whichever method that does not create a severe angle for the heim joint/endlink, which would hinder its movement and bind. It also depends on which adjustment hole you use on the ST bar.

 

but doesnt the ST need to be mounded on the shock? correct me if im wrong but the more you move it towards the center of the car, the more leverage the bar has against the lca (increasing its stiffness or theoretical diameter)

 

yeah thats what i was going for. I use the st front

 

thanks...going to home depot to buy some metal

 

An Hf bar will not make the car twitchy. +toe in the rear or a huge rear bar will. For a street car, I wouldn't trip. If you have it, install it and see what you think. I'd stick with stock though.

I run an ITR rear sway on my '97 dx coupe...and NO sway in the front. Handles great.


Not sure why you'd feel more in control with understeer...but it's your opinion. On track is A WHOLE DIFFERENT game. If the car has too much turn-in because of a rear sway that's too thick or rear spring rates too stiff, then you can compensate your driving style each lap. That's hard to do on the street. I prefer oversteer on track rather than understeer...especially in slower turns...if the car gets twitchy, I simply throttle out of it. Gotta love fwd...

 

let me know if you need any more measurements

 

I had my st bar at full stiff and 10kf/12kr PIC's and the car still wasn't loose enough for me. If you learn proper driving technique(i.e. slow in fast out and learn never to lift mid corner), a twitchy setup will be faster. But of course if your not confident in your driving abilities, it can be a scary proposition.

The Evo is like driving a fwd car except that you can adjust the balance with the throttle close to 10/10ths...it still understeers in slower corners even with 275 width ra1's

 

its easier to control oversteer rather than understeer. when your car is understeering theres not much you can do but hope for the best really. If you your rear end starts comin out its much easier to correct for that, like counter steering, and in a front wheel drive car you can actually mash on the gas and that will pull the front of the car in the direction your steering and eventually straighten you out.

ninja edit just realized nick said the same thing. Im with nick i prefer a little oversteer. Im pretty sure anybody on the track would

 

That's really not true..mild understeer can be cured by lifting(shifting grip to the front). There's a reason that manufacturers tune most cars for understeer. Obviously a fast driver who's skilled at car control can benefit from a loose setup. But oversteer is very disconcerting for an average driver with bad car control.

 

well we are talkin about racing, not driving on the street (or at least i am) I understand what you saying about manufacturers tuning for understeer cause the average driver wouldnt know what to do in a situation of loss of control. All i'm saying is its easier to control oversteer than understeer.

 

I need to find the video on youtube a buddy took of me at Buttonwillow. I'm on the sweeper and you can hear me gas-lift, gas-lift, gas-lift, gas-lift...just TRYING to get the *** to rotate. Hahaha.

Ninja edit...I found it! You can barely hear what I'm doing though. You can even see me droppin' a little tire comin' out of magic mountain in the first part of the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R1Wo...eature=related

 

And I disagree with you. Understeer can be cured by lifting off the throttle. It is much easier to control. There's a big difference between having the car slighty loose(a more neutral balance) and having the car really oversteer. You generally want a car to be as close to neutral as possible...oversteer is slow. Understeer is slow. The kind of understeer your talking about is when you really overcook a corner. In which case, your prob going off anyways. Big oversteer in a fwd car when ur past the limit is scary as hell. Power on won't do ****. Ask me how I know

That being said...oversteer is alot more fun haha