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there are FAQ's on the uberdata website that will answer most of your questions. also check out the uberdata message board.</TD></TR></TABLE>


yeah Kevin showed me his about 2min some stuff you can do with uberdata and I was hella impressed.. like rpm limit, launch control, mulitple shift lights per gear/per mph (i think..) all this cool stuff that i didn't even know about...

I'm really thinking about goingUberdata myself !

 

I haven't really kept up with the additional features on the uberdata, but I do enjoy using the map trace and real-time tuning on the hondata. Those features really help me with tuning.

I burned an uberdata chip for a friend for the first time yesterday and it wasn't hard at all. Some of the parameters in uberdata aren't especially intuitive tho. Like the boost efficiency parameter, which I suppose is used for scaling the fuel maps in the boosted section (using the vacuum portion as a template), just doesn't really click in my head.

 

i think the coolest thing about uberdata is that feeling i get that says "you did this all by yourself". i get some kind of satisfaction just knowing that i chipped my ecu (trivial), and tuned my car all by myself. maybe some of you DIY'ers can relate to what i'm saying.

 

*sigh*

This one is gonna be long....


They are both the Honda ECU, and of the same format. I don't see why a Hondata tuner can't tune via Uberdata.

Yes, EXACTLY! Why save on the Honda ECU when you can pay several hundred dollars more for the Honda ECU! Say, I think I saved about a two grand on my current turbo setup over what the average HT member would pay... I don't want to skimp on the most important part - spending money for no reason - who wants to take that two grand off my hands?

Hondata lacks:
1) RTP



... because really, any Xtronics (ROMulator) product is a piece of ****. And four times the cost for seven times the hassle over RTP. Uberdata may not support RTP yet, B's been busy playing with other aspects, but other PGMFI offerings do - Uberdata isn't the only game out there.

Yeah, I don't like snake oil salesmen, either. You should hear some of the criticisms about what JWT does to their ECUs. It's about as good as paying $600 to have a P28 chipped with a Skank2 clone. On that note, Mike R.

Uhuh, yep, sure, that's why Uberdata 1.3-1.6 were such reliable platforms. That's about the time I stopped beta testing for B, he started slinging out a lot of stuff all of a sudden and wanted to impress people with it (like duh, we know you're bright). I also got the feeling he had a bunch of kids who didn't know the ropees betaing for him and giving him poor feedback and approving things that flat didn't work properly. Since the 1.6x-1.65 era, QC is back where it was previously.

As far as a ROMulator... *shudder*... I'll donate Speed Phreak's EconoROM III and settle up with him for the cash he wants for it if you can get B to support it as opposed to the Xtronic's garbage. They are slightly less in price, and a nice unit.

Netsearch, young grasshopper. Or check PGMFI, I know I posted up a year and a half back about the Turbo II ECU project, and there was a guy on HMT, IPM, working on various Mazda piston engines + BMW Motronic via Winbin. Most of the Toyota EFI up through the early 90's is a licensed variant of Bosch, complete with the stupid cold start injector on the intake manifold. There is a buttload of stuff on Saab/Volvo. One of the Holley aftermarket setups is a hacked variant of an OEM Marelli system used overseas. You name it, it's being done.

Exactly? I dunno about you, bub, but I tune with a used sub $300 laptop, Techedge 2.0 kits plus sensor can be had for under $250, my chip (ROM?) burner cost me $75, and the RTP setup was assembled in the form of free samples from Dallas Semiconductor and free RTP boards from Blundar. For less than buying and paying someone else to tune Hondata, I can do more than a Hondata is capable of.

But, this is the DIY versus pay for play argument all over again. Some people like DIY, some don't. Your exhorbinant price quotes, however, I can only assume are your attempt to misguide nuthangers (who you can keep as far as I'm concerned). Decent laptops and widebands can be had for 1/3rd the prices you claim, NEW.

Meaning the answer is spend more money, what was the question?

Yeah, they mostly ditched OBD1 in the past 6 months or so. They've been dedicating their efforts towards K-series and it shows. I was very impressed with the K-Pro, and ability of the K-series engine at the Hondata K-series seminar. I've had a pretty open **** Hondata attitude in re their OBD1 wares for a while now, but, I give respect where it is due. You Cali + other people with stringent emissions are going to love some of those special features.


Uh, you really should check out something from PGMFI that supports RTP, it makes Hondata look like a hassle.

 

Im with the fat kid ^^^^^

Always enjoy your posts man, to the point, correct, and no mercy.


I run/tune my own Hondata, and have tuned several cars on uberdata.
Both are easy to use and similar in operation. Any self respecting tuning/dyno shop could use it, so there is no issue of 'finding' someone to tune it for you if thats the case.
With the ability to alter cold start enrichment and disable a # of different sensors, Uberdata already has my old 2bd beat.

IMHO, being able to disable closed loop w/o having to unplug your 02 sensor/disable 02 heater, would be a GREAT benefit to street tuning on a WB.
To a lesser degree, direct table entry would be a plus as well.

Datalogging is the last string thats keeping my Hondata installed.





Modified by leed at 9:42 AM 3/30/2004

 

anyone else?
what does hondata have that uberdata 1.3/1.6 version don't have? or vice versa?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Charlie Moua &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone else?
what does hondata have that uberdata 1.3/1.6 version don't have? or vice versa?</TD></TR></TABLE>

a nice little blue box that says hondata

i have uberdata on my LS-T hatchback (tuned by vtc_civic) and i LOVE it. it feels great in and out of boost and the boost roll on feels stock. as soon as i get some money im gonna shoot some over towards blake. id love to meet him too so if dave takes a road trip up there to meet you guys i may have to hide in his trunk

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by calmweed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I guess I have to look further into the new PGMFI RTP board. I thought i remember reading it uses a subpar baud rate so changes are quite slow.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you're only changing a bit here/there so its okay. Hell the DSM and GM guys do realtime stuff on 1920 buad ALDL, you think we cant do it 9600 -&gt; 38400 buad? :D

 

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Uhuh, yep, sure, that's why Uberdata 1.3-1.6 were such reliable platforms. That's about the time I stopped beta testing for B, he started slinging out a lot of stuff all of a sudden and wanted to impress people with it (like duh, we know you're bright). I also got the feeling he had a bunch of kids who didn't know the ropees betaing for him and giving him poor feedback and approving things that flat didn't work properly. Since the 1.6x-1.65 era, QC is back where it was previously.

As far as a ROMulator... *shudder*... I'll donate Speed Phreak's EconoROM III and settle up with him for the cash he wants for it if you can get B to support it as opposed to the Xtronic's garbage. They are slightly less in price, and a nice unit.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think that since the forum started (basically at version 1.6) QC has gone way up. We've got a lot of users giving useful/insightful feedback.. and even fixing/writing their own features. Also during a lot of the time between 1.3 -&gt; 1.6 blakes car didn't run. If he's anything like me since I have no way to emulate stuff yet (arrg where is the test bench!!!) not having a running car pretty much ***** me green on development.

Well you'll have to talk to Blake about that, I have to be honest my interest on ROM emulation is about nil. I'd prefer RTP implementation... but in the mean time I can handle reburning a flash rom in 15 seconds to try something new. Beggers can't be choosers, and I'm just really happy where uberdata is in general.

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FYI to all those who care, closed loop has been defeated thanks to CivicTSI. With the next version of uberdata (1.66) that is forthcoming I'll include it with the misc script.

I'm currently driving my 1995 auto EX around with NO o2

 

Bump b/c this is a very informative thread...i cant wait to start trying to tune my hatch...just waitin on the burner and wideband ...ive got a few friends w/ hondata but uberdata gets from me for now...

 

to do the same things u would do with hondata, using urberdata i bought an EGT gauge, and ill be buying a wide ban o2 sensor kit, that way i can street tune. personaly id rather have the 2 gauges, and laptop, wich would resale alot quicker than a specific Hondata, program, and equipment.

for the same price as hondata, u can get a cheap laptop, Eprom burner, Burning program, urberdata, EGT, a/f gauges, and even a cheap camcorder to datalog with just mount the camera and gauges so u can record your tach, EGT, and A/f, then street tune, (the dragway is also a very good place to tune, make a few slower runs, then burn a chip, make faster runs, burn a chip, ect) and then go to a dyno, save yourself lots of money, and have the knowlage of how to change and fix things later on down the road.

just my 2 cents.

 

Wow we tried doing this but quickly abandoned the technique because the digi camcorder couldn't view all of it at once with enough clarity. We just watch the wideband and the tach to see where we need to add or subtract fuel. Go reburn and it becomes perfect. Tuning Cyphears (on uberdata) car has been a piece of cake compared to what everyone says about why not to tune your own car.

J. Davis- I haven't heard that "Slow down young grasshopper" saying in a long time. That made my day.

 

I read this entire thread and can't believe people missed this fact:

Hondata is tested.
Uberdata is more of a "Beta". Meaning it's under constant development.

There are advantages to both.
There are other tools out other than uberdata that do datalogging like hondata that are free.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, they mostly ditched OBD1 in the past 6 months or so. They've been dedicating their efforts towards K-series and it shows. I was very impressed with the K-Pro, and ability of the K-series engine at the Hondata K-series seminar. I've had a pretty open **** Hondata attitude in re their OBD1 wares for a while now, but, I give respect where it is due. You Cali + other people with stringent emissions are going to love some of those special features.</TD></TR></TABLE>

First time he's quoted me and not told me that I'm flat out wrong. Wow, I have a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

 

Bump for an very informitive thread!

I just ditched the idea of going with the afc hack in favor of the uberdata...I have read the FAQ section of ecimulti several times and I'm still a bit confused. Does anyone have anyother links that would be useful in getting started on this setup? Thanks for your input.

 

i say hondata, because i have no idea how to tune.

 

for the obd2 folks itll cost a little more aswell.. money and time! (need a new ecu..conversion harness)
ive been contemplating selling my aem to go with uberdata but im just not sure yet.
question. whats the max rpm that uberdata can handle?

keebler's site is pretty sweet
http://home.mn.rr.com/keebler65/honda

Modified by SiRkid at 7:11 AM 3/31/2004


Modified by SiRkid at 8:13 AM 3/31/2004

 

good info..
and i wanted it in my recent topics

 

just for the hell of it, I removed my Hondata tonight and ran my car on Uberdata.

B16
T3 60/63
All the normal turbo stuff
86lb injectors
PLX WB

Made a quick base map.
Car started first try, was a bit lean causing stumbles at idle. Drove like a pile.
After about 15 changes/test drives, the car idles solid, and drives w/ 0 hiccups. (OK, very small ones at parking lot speeds, but very small)
If it wasnt for my broken Romulator (JD, not a word ) this could have been completed in about 2hrs, but took about 3hrs. Tuning part throttle w/o datalogging is much harder, but can be done. (running the car in open loop is a must for this, unplug your O2 sensor and disable O2 Heater in Uberdata)
Tuning WOT was pretty easy, just gotta make mental notes on A/F vs RPM vs boost.

Overall, very impressed. FTL is a blast. With my Hondata's (older 2bd) inability to disable ELD, this is the first time I have been CEL'less in a year and a half lol.

Uberdata exibited the same IAT/Fuel correction problems as Hondata did when running vary large injectors. About a full 2.5 A/F swing at idle depending on cold &lt;80 IAT and heat soaked &gt;120 IAT at idle. Hondata also had a problem with overcorrecting for ECT at cold start/warm up, by as much as 3 full A/F points. (newer s200 has adjustments for ECT enrichment)

I will be planning on running both my Hondata and a Uberdata rom at the track very soon. repeatable FTL on slicks is gonna give Uber the edge




Modified by leed at 1:09 PM 3/31/2004

 

great info

 

Is there anyone in the MO area using Uberdata? <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 5thgenh4tch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i say hondata, because i have no idea how to tune. </TD></TR></TABLE> ^^^ is how I feel, but if I could find someone willing to help me I would be down for saving $$$.


Modified by jfoster at 2:52 PM 3/31/2004

 

Thats Awesome Dave, glad you love the FTL

 

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I will be planning on running both my Hondata and a Uberdata rom at the track very soon. repeatable FTL on slicks is gonna give Uber the edge
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the FTL is one of the reason's i switched from hondata to uberdata

 

AFAIK no one knows how to correct IAT differences yet I asked why and I heard it's because the IAT code isn't understood yet. That's why neither Hondata nor Uberdata does it.

SiRKid, it can handle as high as you want to rev - move the limiter wherever - but the max RPM it fuels to is 9k rpm. There's a reason behind it, I forget what it is. That *might* be changing in the future. It already allows you to set your rpm scalars - where each tunable point resides in the rpm scale, you could scale it so all your points are below 7k if you wanted - but I hear you can't set the highest point past 9k. Again, I can't remember why. No reason you can't rev past 9k, but your fueling tunability ends there - any points above 9k will use 9k values.

96-EJ6 B18C, if you have any questions, feel free to PM me and I will help as best I can I'm not a guru, just a kid running Uberdata since 1.2 that's very glad he didn't do the hack.

 

ive had 1.65 on my laptop for a little while now- its seems easy enough to use. with the proper equipment(wideband,chip burner....) and a whole forum dedicated to soley uberdata, i dont think im gonna have too many problems with it. ive actually got about half of the parts i need for my turbo setup, so im closing in on completeing my build, and i have to say im pretty excited to use uberdata, especially for the diy feel good thing that someone previously mentioned. even some of my extremely good mechanic/tuner volkswagon friends knew/heard good things about uberdata .

ps- cant wait for the 1.66 and closed loop disable