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Thanks. I should have also mentioned that I don't know how you can tune without the Romulator as it is just too easy!! I am just lazy **** I guess. </TD></TR></TABLE>

U R lazy!

It's not that bad with a ZIF socket in there. It's all about having that laptop hooked up while racing 4 car races on the street

 

When we dyno tuned my car over a month ago with uberdata we used a romulator. I actually drove around for 2 days with just the romulator installed because we didn't have a burner on us lol.

 

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Semi off topic but I noticed you mentioned JWT and I have been wondering about this for Honda setups. They dont have a JWT type perso who you send your ECu to, they program it for you and verify driveability on a test car and then send you your ECu back???</TD></TR></TABLE>

both uberdata and hondata are leaps and bounds ahead of the JWT crap. My Nissan friends are most jealous because they know obd1 honda guys have it made as far as programable fuel and ign control.

 

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I can't wait for the damn nissan ecus to be cracked by someone not out to make money because that's a monopoly waiting to be blown out of the water. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not sure what all Nissans it works for besides TT 300Z's, but the guy who originally wrote GhettoDyne wrote Z-control (http://www.zcontrol.net/). Its freeware and if anything.. hes swiped the business away from JWT on 90-94 TT Z's

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In other news, this thread brought a tear to my eye. I realize that RIGHT NOW it cant Romulate (is that a word) or datalog, but lets get one thing clear. Blake (aka Uberteg) doesnt own a Romulator ... and despite what you may of heard he likes to test and ensure things work before releasing something to the public. We're working on getting him the hardware (donated or otherwise) and I'm sure soon as he owns it... it'll be forthcoming. Heck you can use romulator now (as BBKA posted), you just dont have all the in-program tuning like Hondata does is all.

I was a Hondata owner once too, and ya.. you do get used to some of the bells and whistles. Lets face it too.. Hondatas main concern/interest appears to be K series hondas now. I'm sure in Doug's eyes: OBDI is just a diminishing market to them.

So long story short if you have an open mind, light wallet and some time to kill: Uberdata is the way to go. It sure as hell beats the AFC Hack.

 

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U R lazy!

It's not that bad with a ZIF socket in there. It's all about having that laptop hooked up while racing 4 car races on the street </TD></TR></TABLE>

5 seconds compared to a few minutes is bad.

yes, I am lazy but when tuning is cut to 1/3 (or more) it is worth it to me since I barely have time to take a **** at work let along burn a chip 100 times.

 

Wow thanks for the replies. I read around on the uberdata forum last night. Here is the link to there site for all of you guys that want it....

Sounds like the difference between the two is Datalogging.....
here the links foos
http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata/

 

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I'm not sure what all Nissans it works for besides TT 300Z's, but the guy who originally wrote GhettoDyne wrote Z-control (http://www.zcontrol.net/). Its freeware and if anything.. hes swiped the business away from JWT on 90-94 TT Z's</TD></TR></TABLE>

there is also the Zemulator(http://z1motorsports.com/)...it works on the Z32 na/tt and rumor is Ash, the developer is also working on one for the 89-94 Maximas...$800 pricetag though, but full ECU control as opposed to JWT(who isn't as bad as people think, just tunes over-conservatively in many cases)

 

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So long story short if you have an open mind, light wallet and some time to kill: Uberdata is the way to go. </TD></TR></TABLE>

What an elegant way to put it.

Wonder what it would take to convert 300zx injecdtion to work on other nisaans like the US ka24 and the sr20. That Zemulator thig looks pretty cool compared to hacking MAFs, z32 MAFs and AFCs and all that fun stuff.

 

Ya, I've known about the 300ZX tuning software, I just wish we'd see some for the SR20 platform! And it has nothing to do with the fact that my g/f owns an SR20DE 200SX SE-R, hehe

 

well mike (zcontrol.net) plans to add SR20DET support sooner or later, but like all things if you dont own one of the cars so equiped your interest is lacking.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by keebler65 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">those of you talking about datalogging.....keep in mind that in order to (street) tune, you'll need a wideband oxygen sensor. most of the widebands out there offer some form of datalogging. personally i dont see the point in using ECUControl if the most you can log with it is the narrowband sensor (please let me see the light if i'm missing something). i just finished tuning my uberdata setup after about a day of tuning with my techedge wideband/datalogging with it. its really not that hard to do. you can pretty much use the stock honda map for out of boost values, and just scale it to what you need. then for in boost, just make a run, log it, look at the graph, and run again. i'm very happy with my results.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I used datalogging to street tune my JRSC'd 2000 Civic Si. I just ran the thing at part throttle in open loop and tuned until I got ~0.6 volts from the 02 sensor in the desired areas. I put it back into closed loop and after that, the STFT and LTFT (fuel trims) were almost dead on. 30 mpg.

I can't stand that "black box" bullshit that the Nissan and a lot of other guys have to put up with. A reprogrammed Mazda RX-7 twin turbo ECU costs around $700. How's that for a scam? I've been hanging out a lot on the RX-7 forums and I have to say that the lack of Hondata/Uberdata type solutions is depressing.

Sonny

 

Uberdata FREE $0

Comperable hondata:

$295 Base s200 system
$125 3 step rev limiter
$200 Boost capability.
$200 ROM Editor V3 (requires datalogging)
$200 Datalogging capability. Required if you want to tune it yourself
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$1020 so you do get datalogging included but uberdata datalogging is in the werks. and guess what. it will be FREE

Someone has to be crazy to spend money like that if there is a perfectly good comperable tool they can use for free.

http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata/

 

Well then why arent RX7, Toyota etc owners working on hacking their ecus? I hate to say it, but generally speaking Honda/Acura owners are the more intelligent of the import species (besides owning them that is! :D ). Surely there is a group of 15-20 people in the mazda scene who could figure it out.

GM/Ford people have us way beat, they have those ECU's so reverse engineered its almost ridiculous. Go look at TunerCat or any of the other GM editors and the amount of things they can tweek is amazing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Silverbeast &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">End result, both require a laptop, wideband, chip burner, and someone with the ability to tune it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly. People tend to forget about the items that are required for both systems. You know, those little things like a $2000 laptop, a $1100 wideband, ROM burner, etc. The cost of the actual system, Hondata or Uberdata, becomes somewhat of a drop in the bucket when you step back and look at the whole picture.

 

i borrowed someones laptop. and i paid 210 shipped for my diy techedge w/ datalogging.

 

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Exactly. People tend to forget about the items that are required for both systems. You know, those little things like a $2000 laptop, a $1100 wideband, ROM burner, etc. The cost of the actual system, Hondata or Uberdata, becomes somewhat of a drop in the bucket when you step back and look at the whole picture.</TD></TR></TABLE>


1100 wideband! most be one nice wideband!

Personally i have the money for hondata but i enjoy more diy projects such as uberdata. And they way i figure uberdata is always evolving and the support is amazing. So free software + 100dollar burner + 299 wideband + 30 random ecu chipping things = boosted fun and feeling smarter than i really am

 

Chances are, if you have a connection to honda-tech, you have a connection to a computer that you can use to burn chips. A laptop is NOT necessary to tune either system, it just makes it easier.

And if you're budget enough to go Uberdata chances are you're not getting the $1100 wideband category... you're more in the $350 Innovate category

 

I've been following and using uberdata since the relase of version 1.2 and I love it. The program is always evolving and getting better.

This is not a Uberdata is better than Hondata post, but cause they are both good in their own ways. Uberdata is good for DIY guys that may have low budgets.

Regardless of the arguing the points are pretty much fact and everybody knows what they are by now who cares. The only thing that really matters is things are getting brighter for all of us. Like somebody else said, this will drive hondata prices down hardcore everntually. The program is almost to the point of what hondata is and when it surpasses it and hondata sees that....things should change or hondata will not be as sought after as they used to be.

 

Yeah, and they will start to drop OBDI development and focus on their K-series stuff... as people have stated they're doing now.

 

I like uberdata because everyone is so willing to help. So if there is anyone in sacramento area that needs help tuning their uberdata, let me know I will see what I can do. Its good that there is an option out there to hondata. It works just as well and actually makes you know a bit more, you will understand what your car is doing when you boost. As oppesed to hondata, where the tuner knows whats going on. Say you have a small bump at about 3500rpm, you tuned it in uberdata, you probably have an idea about where on the map the issue is. You have a small bump in a hondata map, guess what, you will be pulling your hair out. Unless you tune your own hondata. But I think that its great that this is out there.

Rob

 

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I just DL'd the Uberdata software and am very interested in using it.

Where can you buy a chip burner, any links? Also, what else is needed for ECU chipping and where can you buy the needed parts/chips, etc?

 

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I just DL'd the Uberdata software and am very interested in using it.

Where can you buy a chip burner, any links? Also, what else is needed for ECU chipping and where can you buy the needed parts/chips, etc?</TD></TR></TABLE>

there are FAQ's on the uberdata website that will answer most of your questions. also check out the uberdata message board.

 

I've used Hondata and Uberdata, and I'll be the first to tell you that Uberdata is still quite 'rough' around the edges, not quite as polished as Hondata is yet, but that's not to say that with time and effort things can't happen.

As it is, in the past few months alone Uberdata has made incredible leaps forward in implementing new features and options people have asked for, and it's working. Given time, there's no reason I can see why Uberdata won't be an obvious choice the way Hondata was say a year ago.

BTW, my #1 and biggest remaining complaint with Uberdata, the ability to disable closed loop. I know guys have tinkerd with the code, but that to me for tuning purposes is absoulte GOLD. I'v dealt with so many hiccups along the way because the ECU interfere's with what I'm trying to get the car to do, having the ability to force the car to stick to my maps IMO is essential and that I hope is somebody's priority within the Uberdata developmental team.

 

http://www.pgmfi.org


my brother actually got rid of his hondata 4b to go uberdata... buy a wideband, datalog it, and tune it yourself. some patience is required, but so is city driving.

my vote goes to uberdata.

 

anyone else?

how hard is it to tune yourself?
i mean people make i sound like all you have to do is mess around with the labtop and wA~lha!

what should i know before I go get uberdata?... I like the fact that it's free and also self tunable.
I suck at computers.... too....