Hondaruss

Well i recently purchased a turbo a garrett 60-1. The specs on the turbo i found are not what i was given buy the owner. the specs i got are 76 trim with a S cover and stage 3 wheel

-- well my question is has ANYONE ran this turbo. and how does it fair for mid to top end power

my setup :
b16
9.5 c/r
I-Beam rods.

--other then that just kinda curious where the turbo comes in at and does it come in hard or progressive. i am debating on selling this but ifit will work out i mioght keep it. .just looking for some feed back.
The 76trim is kinda getting me. thats a hell of a trim! lol

any info would be great. Thanks in advance

black98gsr-t

http://cheapturbo.stores.yahoo.net/gat3w63ar.html

it maybe close to this, if this helps...

brute

That just sounds like a run-of-the-mill 60-1.

It's a big turbo; maybe too much for your goals.

By the way, the 76 trim is the turbine wheel, and that's the standard T31 stage III wheel. Thousands of people run this wheel, so don't be worried.

quicksilver1689

ah i thought 76 trim was referring to the compressor wheel.

blackeg

see i thought it was a 76mm compressor wheel on that turbo.

im running the exact same turbo on my lsvtec. it will come in pretty hard but nothing to crazy. on a stock bore b16 i wouldnt expect it to get cranking till around 5500 rpms

adubaz7

what a/r exhaust housing is it

TheShodan

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The turbine wheel CAN work decent with the 60-1, but will run out of steam over 470-480whp. The turbine wheel would be best matched with a 2.944" wheel diameter (P-Trim/Stage 5)

blackeg

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheShodan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The turbine wheel CAN work decent with the 60-1, but will run out of steam over 470-480whp. The turbine wheel would be best matched with a 2.944" wheel diameter (P-Trim/Stage 5)</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah. ive seen it really really hit the wall at a little over 500whp

Hondaruss

Thanks for all the info so far. I was hoping to get it in some what boost around 4-4.5K rpms. I was thinking also getting a blanket to keep the heat in the housing and keep the volicity of the gasses moving..

The ar's are .70 cold .63 hot.

So basically this turbo is a 3rd gear and up turbo. 2nd gear just will get it moving?

TheShodan

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Most turbo gurus don't look too much into "gearing" to determine the use of it. Technically it is moving from exhaust energy in ALL gears. You may have to rephrase your question.

HiProfile

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hondaruss &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for all the info so far. I was hoping to get it in some what boost around 4-4.5K rpms. I was thinking also getting a blanket to keep the heat in the housing and keep the volicity of the gasses moving..

The ar's are .70 cold .63 hot.

So basically this turbo is a 3rd gear and up turbo. 2nd gear just will get it moving?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The kinetic energy of the gasses is FAR greater than the heat energy, at least in terms of acting upon the turbine wheel - its one of the selling points for wrap and coatings (not saying they don't have a good use).

As far as 4-4.5k for power - thats when this size turbo will start producing ANY possitive pressure on a 1.8L Honda. You'd be looking at 5k rpm minimum for low boost on a b16. It will also come on very hard. Even coming on late, that won't help traction issues - jumping from 100wtq to 250wtq over the span of 5-800rpm will rip loose any tires besides wrinkle-wall racing rubber (say that 5 times fast ).

Before you put it all together, WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS? If anything below 450whp, this is the wrong turbo for you.

stealthmode62

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheShodan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The turbine wheel CAN work decent with the 60-1, but will run out of steam over 470-480whp. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The cheapturbo link above has it listed to 575whp. Is his a different model or.....

TheShodan

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stealthmode62 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The cheapturbo link above has it listed to 575whp. Is his a different model or..... </TD></TR></TABLE>

The one posted with Phoenix has a stageIII as standard for .63,.48,.82. Its T04S uses the P-trim wheel from Phoenix, but there are other options available.

black98gsr-t

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheShodan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The one posted with Phoenix has a stageIII as standard for .63,.48,.82. Its T04S uses the P-trim wheel from Phoenix, but there are other options available.</TD></TR></TABLE>

so its a p-trim wheel/stage 5 your saying??? im trying to follow along cause thats the exact 60-1 im going to be using..

Hondaruss

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The kinetic energy of the gasses is FAR greater than the heat energy, at least in terms of acting upon the turbine wheel - its one of the selling points for wrap and coatings (not saying they don't have a good use).

As far as 4-4.5k for power - thats when this size turbo will start producing ANY possitive pressure on a 1.8L Honda. You'd be looking at 5k rpm minimum for low boost on a b16. It will also come on very hard. Even coming on late, that won't help traction issues - jumping from 100wtq to 250wtq over the span of 5-800rpm will rip loose any tires besides wrinkle-wall racing rubber (say that 5 times fast ).

Before you put it all together, WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS? If anything below 450whp, this is the wrong turbo for you.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well my goals are around a reliabe 420-450hp. If this wouldnt be the turbo for me.. anyone have any suggestions.

When i first got the turbo i thought it was around a 57 or 60 trim. Not 76 lol. Would i be able to get a diffrent trim exhaust wheel and go from there? Whats your guy's thoughts on this?

blackeg

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If anything below 450whp, this is the wrong turbo for you.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i disagree. with a smaller turbo like a 57 trim you will be really pushing that thing to get up 450+, and will more than likely need 20+ psi to do so


screw lag anyway, if you havve a b16 transmission on your b16 then your never gonna be out of full boost when you are hammering on it anyway. all its gonna do is make the car easier to daily drive by staying out of boost going up hills and stuff

fmfkid250

I have ran that turbo for years

480whp@20psi
517whp@32psi &lt;--- wall hit
10.7@134 on slicks 11.01 on bfgs


also Ran on Stock ls motors best time was 11.87 on bfgs 10psi 262whp

Good turbo i would recomend!!! even if you want 200whp

Hondaruss

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i disagree. with a smaller turbo like a 57 trim you will be really pushing that thing to get up 450+, and will more than likely need 20+ psi to do so


screw lag anyway, if you havve a b16 transmission on your b16 then your never gonna be out of full boost when you are hammering on it anyway. all its gonna do is make the car easier to daily drive by staying out of boost going up hills and stuff</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well i am actually running a LS ys1 trans. I was running a s80 with the long gears. so his ys1 should go through the gears alittle quicker. THus keeping my RPM's up.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fmfkid250 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have ran that turbo for years

480whp@20psi
517whp@32psi &lt;--- wall hit
10.7@134 on slicks 11.01 on bfgs


also Ran on Stock ls motors best time was 11.87 on bfgs 10psi 262whp

Good turbo i would recomend!!! even if you want 200whp</TD></TR></TABLE>

What are your thoughts on the turbo..

fmfkid250

I went pretty fast on it, just dont push for more then 500

stealthmode62

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheShodan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The one posted with Phoenix has a stageIII as standard for .63,.48,.82. Its T04S uses the P-trim wheel from Phoenix, but there are other options available.</TD></TR></TABLE>


How can you visually tell the difference between the stage III and stage V?

turbo boost

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is the p trim and the stage 5? the same thing?

adubaz7

I have a t3 60-1 with 82a/r and stage 5 wheel in my car. I just got the car on the road a couple weeks ago it has a stock b16 for now I plan to stick with the stock bore and stroke and love the way it drives for now the car is untuned on 7psi but I plan to get it tuned with 10psi soon and am also in the process of building my other block similar to your setup
for now I have a very ruff tune in the car and make full boost of only 7psi at about 5000-5200. For me that is perfect it starts coming on boost at maybe low to mid 4000 range the car feels strong and drives very nice through town and runs like a raped ape up in the r's it sure would be nice to pull to 9000 but stock setup with rough tune, 8000 is fine for now
as far as the turbo running out/hitting a wall up in the higher boost levels that is y I went with the .82 and stage five wheel but your .63 and ptrim wheel should be fine for the 450whp range and when you want more just put on a .82 and stage 5 like mine I have seen dynos of just over 600whp with that turbo. I would not go smaller than the turbo you have unless you did like a 60 trim with .82 hot side that would make good power up top and down low

TheShodan

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stealthmode62 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


How can you visually tell the difference between the stage III and stage V? </TD></TR></TABLE>

If you've dealt with a lot of turbines, its typically easy to tell from the angle of fin design. Otherwise, you must measure the wheel diameter. 2.558" or so = Stage III. 2.944" or so, you have a "P"-Trim, or "O"-Trim (though not common at all.) Most P-Trim wheels are in a .82A/R.

As for whether or not the Stage 5 = P-Trim name, not really, there is a TINY difference. but the Stage 5 hasn't been used as much as P-Trim, so more than likely if it is a larger wheel, it is That.

Hondaruss

Well i drove my car with the turbo i mentioned before. I am up in the air. I t does come in to positive pressure sooner what i thought but not what i was hoping. I am in a toss up to get rid of this thing and get a smaller BB unit. I mainly would like some mid range and top end power. I am going to tune it little throw some timing at it see if i cant get it to spool little quicker. im going to make my finale decision when i tune it. if i sell it someone is going to get a nice 60-1 with e ported s cover for CHEAP! lol

blackeg

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hondaruss &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> if i sell it someone is going to get a nice 60-1 with e ported s cover for CHEAP! lol
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ill sell you mine for cheap if you throw in a 3582r lol as a kindness gesture