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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 02:01 PM
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Build is looking good man !!!
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by blackeg
this thread is an amazing source of first hand information with lots of info for the diy engine builder.

now ive used ycp and rs machines pistons in the past on various engines but never had them together at the same time. the side by side pics are fantastic. really goes to show how short the skirt is on the supertech's. i also wish there was a way to know pretty precisely how much of a difference in thickness there is in the center of the piston under the dome.

spawne, im really thinking about buying that dial bore gauge since i started honing my own blocks. how easy is it to make estimations between the .0005 graduation? easy to tell the difference between say .0016 and .0018? being able to make a solid estimation is a great reason to pick up this gauge over say a digital one that runs out of decimal places.
I would say that the cheaper one cant really determine that kind of a precise measurement, you can clearly see you are inbetween .0015 and .0020, but you can only really say its closer to one or the other, that's about it. And in all fairness, if your doing this kind of stuff by hand, your not really going to be THAT precise. For instance, I cant really take off the same amount of material with my cylinder hone on each cylinder, i can roughly guesstimate by saying im doing about 5-10 seconds on each bore, but I cant control my speed exact enough to make it that precise.

But again thats the reason for the coatings on alot of parts, the teflon coating on the pistons can take up the slack in the variations in the bore with no problems and vice versa. If the teflon makes contact with the bore during a drag run, it wont damage the piston or the bore itself.
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 04:45 PM
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yeah i figured it wouldnt be exact, but at least to be able to get pretty close like ok im right between .0015 and .0020 then id be fine.

you are right about the teflon. too bad my last set of cp pistons wasnt coated...

looking forward to seeing your car up and running again.
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 05:16 PM
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yeah i figured it wouldnt be exact, but at least to be able to get pretty close like ok im right between .0015 and .0020 then id be fine.

you are right about the teflon. too bad my last set of cp pistons wasnt coated...

looking forward to seeing your car up and running again.
well the clearances are different depending on the alloy you use, and your horsepower goals. These pistons are cast, i ran my 4032 supertech's at .0035-.0040, your CP's should be .0050 if they are 2618 forged.
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 10:03 PM
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we run .0020-.0022 on vitara d series 75mm bore. .0015-.0020 is gonna be tight especially with the bigger bore. I don't know the expansion characteristics of the rs machines vs. vitaras, but that sounds too tight for a boosted setup running a turbo capable of 400whp. Use a bar hone if you're gonna try to diy, but honing is something I don't do my self, unless it is just clean up. I wouldn't try to set clearances with a ball hone doing it myself. Good luck though.
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Old Jan 23, 2013 | 03:25 AM
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we run .0020-.0022 on vitara d series 75mm bore. .0015-.0020 is gonna be tight especially with the bigger bore. I don't know the expansion characteristics of the rs machines vs. vitaras, but that sounds too tight for a boosted setup running a turbo capable of 400whp. Use a bar hone if you're gonna try to diy, but honing is something I don't do my self, unless it is just clean up. I wouldn't try to set clearances with a ball hone doing it myself. Good luck though.
The coating on these pistons is very thick, im confident that after a couple thousand miles the P2W will open up to about .0020-.0025 with no issues. Running outside the service spec with cast pistons by this much should be just fine i think for 300whp which is the goal. The turbo is of no consequence, if it doesnt meet the requirements for what I need for the target hp range im shooting for because its too big, im just gonna sell it.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 06:50 PM
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murphys law strikes again..


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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 07:05 PM
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im trying to figure what that is?? I know its in the head.. is that from the vtec solenoid stud??
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 07:07 PM
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its the hole that the power steering bracket bolts on to, previous owner must have impacted the bracket on and it blew the casting out on the inside of the head, it broke off right underneath the cam carrier.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 07:38 PM
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Looks more like a case of a bolt that was too long. Smear some hondabondon the threads ofa bolt and plug it up.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 07:41 PM
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Looks more like a case of a bolt that was too long. Smear some hondabondon the threads ofa bolt and plug it up.
thats probably what ill wind up doing, if it costs too much to actually tig that piece back in to place.
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 02:12 PM
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finished the port work on the head with the brushes today, now its ready to be sent out, also started getting the half rad into place. gotta relocate the drivers side rad mount.




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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 02:31 PM
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What grit did you finish that porting with?
Looks really good.

Any pics from the combustion chamber side?
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 03:59 PM
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120 grit plateau brush, ill try to snap some pics from the combustion chamber
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 08:54 PM
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Dam
if there is a way to do things hard
that motor has it in for you
Id call the motor murphy

but good progress your getting there .......again
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MRGRIM
Dam
if there is a way to do things hard
that motor has it in for you
Id call the motor murphy

but good progress your getting there .......again
lol hopefully with being all motor this time around first, ill be able to weed out any potential issues before putting the turbo on the car. Here's hoping there are no issues as well. :p
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post those combustion chamber pics brah
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post those combustion chamber pics brah



these were before the final work, i actually packed it up already and completely forgot about the pics, gotta get it over to the machine shop tomorrow
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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 08:26 PM
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quick question for ya.
when cutting into the guide that much does it cause long term problems? i might trim mine back some.

also is it better to leave the ports polished, or just to a rough finish?
cause imthinking to polish my exhaust sides for sure not sure about the intake.
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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by turbohatch96y7
quick question for ya.
when cutting into the guide that much does it cause long term problems? i might trim mine back some.

also is it better to leave the ports polished, or just to a rough finish?
cause imthinking to polish my exhaust sides for sure not sure about the intake.
Yes, it does, i didnt do the initial port work on this head, it was done by someone else. That's why im having it sent out to have the guides replaced. higher in the RPM's you go the more unstable the valve will be with that much guide missing. Especially on the exhaust side.

As far as finish goes, it depends on who you talk to, polishing increases velocity for sure, but it doesnt promote all that great atomization of fuel on the intake size. Cold fuel spraying against the sides of a polished wall causes it to bead up. So i went over mine with 120 grit plateau brushes to get that textured finish.
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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 10:38 PM
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I never ever ever cut guides. The risk of dropping a valve goes through the roof since the valve head can flex and nor seat properly.

And yes, rough intake ports to prevent fuel pooling/beading and smooth exhaust ports to promote velocity and flow
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 04:53 PM
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What tcm are you using with your auto? Also how are you tuning your car?
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 04:58 PM
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What tcm are you using with your auto? Also how are you tuning your car?
OEM tcm with some circuitry modification, and the ecu is using a moates demon and ectune
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 10:26 PM
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almost back together, aside from yet ANOTHER slight mishap, and a case of the muckman's again. Machine shop called wondering why my valve guides were 5.5mm, turns out ferrea sent me GSR guides and valve stem seals. So I had to order another set and waiting on that to get the head done.



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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 11:15 PM
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I feel for you lol
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