Wow...im all for doing things yourself...but i dont know if id try this. If you read Earls post it really doesnt look like it would be that hard. But in reality im sure its a bitch if you dont have experience. How are you gonna get it to .0001 of an inch tolerence? I dont even think my digital bore gauge reads that low(it might but i dont think it does). And what about the bevel...how are you gonna go about doing that?

I say try it! Youll fail most likely...but youll help us HTers out by letting us know what not to do(like we dont already know)...and youll give us one hell of a laugh at the same time. Its a win-win situation...for us anyway.

 

matt's going to be doing the work now i talked to him and i will just watch and learn

 

ah the honda-tech spirit is strong in this thread.

I wouldnt do it yourself as others have stated, it is pretty difficult to do right your first time and you will prolly mess up your nice new block.

Get som crappy SOHC block and practice on it before you go ruining your race block.

for effort, and the tenacity to learn

for haters who cant explain in polite terms why he should/shouldnt do this- he just had a simple question outlandish as it may be there is no need to rag on him

 

its alright i happens in almost every thread i read.

I'm still going to pay attention on what he does.

 

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nobody likes learn it just easier if someone else does it.

and yes a another blocks not that hard to find.


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Its not that no one is about learning. Im sure given the opportunity to use the right tools we would all be up for learning. You DONT have the tools for the job. If you had access to the tools and someone to TEACH you then you are learning. Most master plumers or carpenters work as an apprenticeship (sp?) first and learn from someone who has tools and is skilled. Then sometimes they go out on their own and start their own buisness. Im going to have to repeat for the 1000 time dont do it yourself unless you have the tools needed and someone to help you. You should not learn how to sleeve a block from a message board.

 

yeah Matt has all of the toolsl from hot tank to cnc machine there are some things that he don't do or have tools for. instead of me doing this when it gets back i'm going to watch and learn

 

for learning and effort.

 

contact jeff at import builders and he has the sleeves for about 250 dollars or contact la sleeve they have the ductile iron ones also and install instructions. Numerous people have done this before. Usually you bore the sleeve out and leave a .001 press fit bore. Then you heat up the block and cool the sleeves with co2 or nitrous. Then press all of the sleeves in as quickly as possible. Then put 20 tons on each one. You can use epoxy sealer if you want but shouldnt be necessary. I never heard of leaving a lip as if the sleeve is pressed in good it will not move. Camp 1320 also sells such sleeves and may have good directions. I say do it yourself and also cnc machines arent necessary if you have a good machinist. They just offer repeatability, they still have to adjust tooling and measure the bore and what not. Cnc machines will not cut it perfect the first time the tool have to be adjusted in. I know i program them. Only thing i cant program is conversational program machines such as the old mazak machines.

 

i hope ur just joking

 

yeah see on closed deck it seems like it might be easier than open.

yeah with the closed i can see the sleeve moving much at all since the lip at the bottom would hold it on and the head will hold it from moving also.

He use's JE pistons and has a wholesale account with them and he said he can get the darton sleeves from them also.

i was thinking of useing CP's but if JE's are just the same, i guess i will use them.

what rods i don't know yet, i was thinking eagle.

Looking for a crank right now. wanting to stay with the h22 crank, but i heard you can use the h23 crank or f23 and gain some displacement?

Has anyone used any pistons great the 87mm or should i stay with that.

 

also a quicky here

i got a skunk2 manifold proseries and should i use the maxbore throttle body or should i upgrade even further to a 68mm or 70mm?

alot of people like maxbore's cheap and it's a 66mm throttle body

 

The sleeves you are talking about our for OEM use only and bring no more strength to a block than OEM.

 

gotcha, i'm going to get the darton closed block sleeves.

 

wow, now there's some things called closed block sleeves.....ditto

 

oh hell yeah man! this 92 civic hatch kid is not f-ing around... the amount of people telling you don't do it should be enough drive alone to do this yourself... mad props to you man for having the ***** to step it up DIY style

no rules... go for it and take you time, LOTS of research, and take lots of pics... I want to follow your progress!

I can see the determination bro, keep it up

 

asoon as the motor is done in witchita i will take pics of the sleeves being installed

 

La sleeves are stronger ductile iron. Jeff at importbuilders also disagrees. The sleeves he sells are thicker than stock replacements and can be bored out to atleast 85mm. Camp 1320 also offers such sleeves.

 

well i'm going with the stock bore or .25 over 87mm for the h22. yeah i heard of LA before i will do some research on them.

thanks

 

lmfao

 

why even bother doing going that small on a sleeved motor.... bore it out.
you can run stock sleeves with that bore no problem, just get the proper pistons to deal with the frm sleeves

its obvious you have no clue what you are remotely doing, but i said that already

 

yeah there's not reason to bore out bigger than 87mm though. unless your build a drag car then on a h22 your don't want to go bigger than a 2400CC if you boost, all motor you can go bigger though. since you would have to make custom pistons and get custom rings and then you could even get some ring flutter if the rings are not right???? then if i get the custom stroke with bigger rod i would have to cut the block so the rod would work and not smack the block.even if i stroked it up to 2.4L there is no reason for the hp i'm wanting. 87mm fine with me and that's what i'm going to do. yeah it could use stock sleeve but the fmr does not hold up to forged pistons at all. mahle claims i does but there is no long test duration on the pistons and only a couple people are using them.

and 90mm-89MM heard is the max you would want to do on a h22 for boost anyways so it not that far off and since it's already sleeved i could just bore it out if i can't accomplish the HP i'm looking for.

 

the camp 1320, la sleeve , or importbuilders sleeves would be ok. You could also use stock replacement sleeves that are also iron. I would go with those just bore out and press in.

 

yeah i'm looking at those sleeves now i'm going to call camp monday i've done business with the before.

 

JB WELD IT...!!!

 

If you pull this off, Im gonna be impressed. Make SURE to post pics of the process...