RWD H22 project has commenced
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Lol, I just walked outside from being in the shop since 4pm, and the Peon is COMPLETELY burried. Only vids youll see is of me rolling out the door, and dissappearing into a snow bank taller than the car.
Plus, I dont have a working engine yet either. Jen(my gf) owes me a sleeve job and some rods, so as soon as she coughs up the $, Ill have a running RWD del sol
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sleeve job and a rod job, eh?
Lol, I just walked outside from being in the shop since 4pm, and the Peon is COMPLETELY burried. Only vids youll see is of me rolling out the door, and dissappearing into a snow bank taller than the car.
Plus, I dont have a working engine yet either. Jen(my gf) owes me a sleeve job and some rods, so as soon as she coughs up the $, Ill have a running RWD del sol
</TD></TR></TABLE>sleeve job and a rod job, eh?
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Probrably just gonna weld it up. No more worrying about the welds breaking since the wheels don't have to steer.
-Ryan
Probrably just gonna weld it up. No more worrying about the welds breaking since the wheels don't have to steer.
-Ryan
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Im going to debate this issue a lil bit. Since it WILL be a DD, I dont need useless **** breaking. Ill just be using an Accord tranny because of the extremely high gearing(2200rpm at 65mph), I like that, less stress on the engine. Welding the diff MAY still be a temporary option though, I can always pull it out and swap for a $900 quaife later on...
Im going to debate this issue a lil bit. Since it WILL be a DD, I dont need useless **** breaking. Ill just be using an Accord tranny because of the extremely high gearing(2200rpm at 65mph), I like that, less stress on the engine. Welding the diff MAY still be a temporary option though, I can always pull it out and swap for a $900 quaife later on...
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Probrably just gonna weld it up. No more worrying about the welds breaking since the wheels don't have to steer.
-Ryan</TD></TR></TABLE>
You may want to think about this a little harder
Probrably just gonna weld it up. No more worrying about the welds breaking since the wheels don't have to steer.
-Ryan</TD></TR></TABLE>
You may want to think about this a little harder
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You may want to think about this a little harder
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Exactly! there's a reason guys with RWD cars don't weld their diffs either!
You may want to think about this a little harder
</TD></TR></TABLE>Exactly! there's a reason guys with RWD cars don't weld their diffs either!

Couple of things:
The suspension mount looks good, but you might want to consider triangulating it with that piece above it. As a matter of fact, I would say you definately should. There's a lot of load on those mount points, and the way it's set up now it will all be torque on that mount point.
You might want to reconsider gearing the car that low. 2200 rpm at 65 mph is REALLY low, especially for a 4 cylinder motor with a big turbo. If you're closer to 2500 at 65, it won't take you 3 downshifts to get spool out of it.
Just something to consider.
I wouldn't lower it too much. I think that with the tops of the tires around the fenderwells (where they are in that picture, or hopefully even less tucked) is where you want to be on a street car. From my experience, even with really stiff springs you're going to be unhappy with a car that low, especially since you're trying to make it a daily driver.
The suspension mount looks good, but you might want to consider triangulating it with that piece above it. As a matter of fact, I would say you definately should. There's a lot of load on those mount points, and the way it's set up now it will all be torque on that mount point.
You might want to reconsider gearing the car that low. 2200 rpm at 65 mph is REALLY low, especially for a 4 cylinder motor with a big turbo. If you're closer to 2500 at 65, it won't take you 3 downshifts to get spool out of it.
Just something to consider.
I wouldn't lower it too much. I think that with the tops of the tires around the fenderwells (where they are in that picture, or hopefully even less tucked) is where you want to be on a street car. From my experience, even with really stiff springs you're going to be unhappy with a car that low, especially since you're trying to make it a daily driver.
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Ya, Ill be running alot more braces once I get the final setup figured out(ie, turbo, build the manifold, and WAIC).
Im just going to have to get some TEINs or something, then I can pretty much do what I wish!
Got the IM mostly done. I hit a "dirty spot" in the AL, and called it quits for the day. Its very frusttrating when you weld for 45 min, and only go a half inch.
Im just going to have to get some TEINs or something, then I can pretty much do what I wish!
Got the IM mostly done. I hit a "dirty spot" in the AL, and called it quits for the day. Its very frusttrating when you weld for 45 min, and only go a half inch.
i drive an accord daily, the gearing isn't that low.. at 65 with 205/55 r15s the rpms are closer to 2600.. at 60 i know i'm at 2400, at 80 i know i'm at 3200.. but yeah, the accord trany sucks.. throws syncro's all the time and won't hold up to long under a turbo.. i'd go with a h23a trany..
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Exactly! there's a reason guys with RWD cars don't weld their diffs either!
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You may want to think about this a little harder
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Actually I know of quite a few people with rear wheel drives that don't break the welds. Although, they don't drive them all that often and it isn't the best way it IS possible. If it used for a track car I see no reason why it wouldn't last. As far as Cody's is concerned I was assuming it would see a fair amout of street time and it seems to be the most cost effective way to prevent the guaranteed peglegs he will see. I am sure he will take care of it. No need to throw the
It was just a thought.
-Ryan
Exactly! there's a reason guys with RWD cars don't weld their diffs either!

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You may want to think about this a little harder
</TD></TR></TABLE>Actually I know of quite a few people with rear wheel drives that don't break the welds. Although, they don't drive them all that often and it isn't the best way it IS possible. If it used for a track car I see no reason why it wouldn't last. As far as Cody's is concerned I was assuming it would see a fair amout of street time and it seems to be the most cost effective way to prevent the guaranteed peglegs he will see. I am sure he will take care of it. No need to throw the
It was just a thought.
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Ya, RWD peg legs are just as unimpressive as FWD ones. lol...
Still a thought, I need to gather more info. The axles I will be using will take it no problems, its whether or not the rest of the chassis/tranny will hold.
Still a thought, I need to gather more info. The axles I will be using will take it no problems, its whether or not the rest of the chassis/tranny will hold.
Cody, is it a figment of my imagination, or did I talk to you a few months ago and you mentioned something about building a twin engine [h22] del sol? Is that what this project originally started out as?
Complete side note for Dax...nice essay. I'm assuming you wrote that? Where are you at school? I noticed your only reference as a book by Norton..I'm an ME major at WPI, this is where he teaches. He's done some cool stuff. At different points he has attempted to build both ceramic valves, and ceramic bearing turbos. Very cool guy.
~james
~james
i would most definitly add some braces to this....like a diagonal going from the smaller "lower tube" to the larger "upper tube" to create a triangle in a sence...and maybe even weld tabs onto it, so you can fabricate a strut tower brace to connect both shock "towers..than the tabs will be there to mount the strut tower brace.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2.2Lcivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i would most definitly add some braces to this....like a diagonal going from the smaller "lower tube" to the larger "upper tube" to create a triangle in a sence...and maybe even weld tabs onto it, so you can fabricate a strut tower brace to connect both shock "towers..than the tabs will be there to mount the strut tower brace.</TD></TR></TABLE>
already asked...
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and answered
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tinker219 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ya, Ill be running alot more braces once I get the final setup figured out(ie, turbo, build the manifold, and WAIC).
Im just going to have to get some TEINs or something, then I can pretty much do what I wish!
Got the IM mostly done. I hit a "dirty spot" in the AL, and called it quits for the day. Its very frusttrating when you weld for 45 min, and only go a half inch.
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Didn't mean that in a mean way, just trying to save Tinker from having extra typing, he's already got enough work to do!
already asked...
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and answered
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tinker219 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ya, Ill be running alot more braces once I get the final setup figured out(ie, turbo, build the manifold, and WAIC).
Im just going to have to get some TEINs or something, then I can pretty much do what I wish!
Got the IM mostly done. I hit a "dirty spot" in the AL, and called it quits for the day. Its very frusttrating when you weld for 45 min, and only go a half inch.
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Didn't mean that in a mean way, just trying to save Tinker from having extra typing, he's already got enough work to do!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleepyEG »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Complete side note for Dax...nice essay. I'm assuming you wrote that? Where are you at school? I noticed your only reference as a book by Norton..I'm an ME major at WPI, this is where he teaches. He's done some cool stuff. At different points he has attempted to build both ceramic valves, and ceramic bearing turbos. Very cool guy.
~james</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for the compliment! I'm an ME major at Georgia Tech. Yeah, that was my final project for my Dynamics of Rigid Boides class last semester. I wanted to use other references, but Norton did such a great job with that book, it was all I needed! I'm glad someone appreciates that essay...I tried posting a thread but only got like two half assed "cool man" responses. Norton definately knows his ****...that book was interesting. Did he have any success in building those ceramic valves?
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Thanks for the compliment! I'm an ME major at Georgia Tech. Yeah, that was my final project for my Dynamics of Rigid Boides class last semester. I wanted to use other references, but Norton did such a great job with that book, it was all I needed! I'm glad someone appreciates that essay...I tried posting a thread but only got like two half assed "cool man" responses. Norton definately knows his ****...that book was interesting. Did he have any success in building those ceramic valves?
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