Products that dont work
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,140
Likes: 0
From: nj
Re: Products that dont work (ImportReview)
Guys! Air Fuel is Air Fuel. Some people feel comfortalbe with hondata and some feel comfortable with AEM. As far as hesitation problem, I have never came across that problem before, even on the p72. This debate can go on and on forever. I personally like hondata better for street or mildly modified cars.
For a full race system my hat goes off to the guys at Motec and Accel. Offcourse most of us can't afford Motec, and a very good alternative is Accel DFI. I think the AEM system will be good in the near future, there's a learning curve with the new technology. Learning curve for the tuner as well as the software developers. A big issue for aem ems user is the idle and poor gas mileage. Does AEM EMS incorpate a idle control motor? I don't think I remember hearing about a idle control motor for the AEM. Hondata used the stock idle control motor which makes idling "Like stock".
And the debate continues, even if one system is king. Take for instance on the internet there are 2 browsers, Internet Explorer and Netscape. Most people know that IE is better, however there will be some people that prefer to use Netscape. Why? Because they want to be different.
For a full race system my hat goes off to the guys at Motec and Accel. Offcourse most of us can't afford Motec, and a very good alternative is Accel DFI. I think the AEM system will be good in the near future, there's a learning curve with the new technology. Learning curve for the tuner as well as the software developers. A big issue for aem ems user is the idle and poor gas mileage. Does AEM EMS incorpate a idle control motor? I don't think I remember hearing about a idle control motor for the AEM. Hondata used the stock idle control motor which makes idling "Like stock".
And the debate continues, even if one system is king. Take for instance on the internet there are 2 browsers, Internet Explorer and Netscape. Most people know that IE is better, however there will be some people that prefer to use Netscape. Why? Because they want to be different.
What is this crap?
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 23,180
Likes: 57
From: Minneapolis, MN
Re: Products that dont work (ekb18c)
A big issue for aem ems user is the idle and poor gas mileage. Does AEM EMS incorpate a idle control motor? I don't think I remember hearing about a idle control motor for the AEM. Hondata used the stock idle control motor which makes idling "Like stock".
also, o2 feedback has been implemented with the ems and users are reporting excellent results. stock mileage is attainable.
it uses the stock IACV thats bolted to your intake manifold. as far as idle, my idle is described as 'like stock' by people that ride in my car, but there are a few anomalies that i am still trying to work out, and it took me a LOT of fiddling to get it where its at.
bottom line, aem ems is waaay more complicated than the average person needs, but its a total toy to me...and it'll do what you want, but be prepared to learn damn near everything about electronics and engines and sensors before you get it right.
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 14,500
Likes: 0
From: Sacramento, CA
Re: Products that dont work (falconGSR)
A big issue for aem ems user is the idle and poor gas mileage. Does AEM EMS incorpate a idle control motor? I don't think I remember hearing about a idle control motor for the AEM. Hondata used the stock idle control motor which makes idling "Like stock".
well, you said it, air fuel is air fuel...poor gas mileage using aem ems is due to rich tuning. it taks a LOT of effort to get good part-throttle tuning no matter what standalone you're using. after a couple months, i am barely reaching 20mpg with the ems. havent had time to get it fine tuned with the in-car wideband.
also, o2 feedback has been implemented with the ems and users are reporting excellent results. stock mileage is attainable.
it uses the stock IACV thats bolted to your intake manifold. as far as idle, my idle is described as 'like stock' by people that ride in my car, but there are a few anomalies that i am still trying to work out, and it took me a LOT of fiddling to get it where its at.
bottom line, aem ems is waaay more complicated than the average person needs, but its a total toy to me...and it'll do what you want, but be prepared to learn damn near everything about electronics and engines and sensors before you get it right.
well, you said it, air fuel is air fuel...poor gas mileage using aem ems is due to rich tuning. it taks a LOT of effort to get good part-throttle tuning no matter what standalone you're using. after a couple months, i am barely reaching 20mpg with the ems. havent had time to get it fine tuned with the in-car wideband.
also, o2 feedback has been implemented with the ems and users are reporting excellent results. stock mileage is attainable.
it uses the stock IACV thats bolted to your intake manifold. as far as idle, my idle is described as 'like stock' by people that ride in my car, but there are a few anomalies that i am still trying to work out, and it took me a LOT of fiddling to get it where its at.
bottom line, aem ems is waaay more complicated than the average person needs, but its a total toy to me...and it'll do what you want, but be prepared to learn damn near everything about electronics and engines and sensors before you get it right.
New User
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 797
Likes: 0
From: Bradenton, FL, US of A
Re: Products that dont work (synergy004)
Back on topic please....
Bad products to avoid:
Honda diffs, very weak.
Prothane engine mount inserts on a daily driver (vibes baby).
Many products from JC Whitney, can't list them all!!
Kia
Daewoo
Chrysler 2.2l engines.
Corrosive ammo, Berdan primed. (don't ask)
and last, but not least..... the Yugo!!
Any dispute?
Randy
Bad products to avoid:
Honda diffs, very weak.
Prothane engine mount inserts on a daily driver (vibes baby).
Many products from JC Whitney, can't list them all!!
Kia
Daewoo
Chrysler 2.2l engines.
Corrosive ammo, Berdan primed. (don't ask)
and last, but not least..... the Yugo!!
Any dispute?
Randy
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 520
Likes: 0
From: NYC
Re: Products that dont work (RGAZ)
Bump bring back from the dead, cause it's been a long time and many new products. mines is phantom grip tranny cuff 
Modified by Desir Performance at 11:56 AM 11/24/2006
Modified by Desir Performance at 11:56 AM 11/24/2006
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 148
Likes: 0
Re: Products that dont work (Desir Performance)
wtf u talking about? i have hondata s300. idle is like stock. running 10psi for 2 months no problem. car also runs pretty damn good. stays in boost and when i smash, there is not turbo lag. like i said, it just stays in boost. maybe it my ls tranny.
paid 600 installed for the s300. ems is what 1300 alone?
no problem with my hondata s300.
back to the topic....
Cheap filters with the opening in the middle... my turbo sucked it right in...
FMU
aftermarkt sparkplug wires, 9.5mm thick... wtf was i thinking
coldair intake: all the hassle of installation, getting worried about rain, all for an extra 2.5 - 5hp
paid 600 installed for the s300. ems is what 1300 alone?
no problem with my hondata s300.
back to the topic....
Cheap filters with the opening in the middle... my turbo sucked it right in...
FMU
aftermarkt sparkplug wires, 9.5mm thick... wtf was i thinking
coldair intake: all the hassle of installation, getting worried about rain, all for an extra 2.5 - 5hp
Junior Member
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 539
Likes: 0
From: Gaithersburg, MD, Montgomery
Re: (turboteener)
Golden Eagle oil dip stick......the bolt that holds the top on baked out and the top of the dip stick came off. (mabe it was loose from the beginning, should have cheked)
B*a*n*n*e*d
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,668
Likes: 0
From: DFW, TX, U.S.A
Re: (Dee)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dee »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Abortions obviously don't work because many of you survived 
</TD></TR></TABLE>
OUCH!
</TD></TR></TABLE> OUCH!
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,428
Likes: 0
From: Dallas, Tx, US
Re: (Dee)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dee »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Abortions obviously don't work because many of you survived </TD></TR></TABLE>
ahahha
</TD></TR></TABLE>ahahha
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,458
Likes: 0
Re: Products that dont work (TheSwift1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheSwift1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">live long...stay stock!.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE> Stock sucks... I agree with the Trojan condoms....
Spec stage 5 clutch is my contribution
Spec stage 5 clutch is my contribution
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
