<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slipslap &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok again, this is off the Holley site.
And this is off the CompuCar site. And I work down the road from them. And I trust anything they say about nitrous. Good people over there.
Why is that hard to believe? Tell me this then. If the sulfur is created when it combusts. How the hell is in it before you even inject it in your engine? That one baffles me man. That is just so obvious an din your face but you can't see it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha, but dude!! all these comapnies are JUST LYING TO US! EVERY SINGLE ONE!! it can't be that he's wrong and we are all right!

mike

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1316130057 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's a world of difference between medical, foodservice, and automotive N2O. The Sulpher in Automotive N2O is a byproduct of its combustion and it's not as refined or intended for human injestion. Medical N2O has less actual usable Oxygen because a human body isn't intended for that mass of oxygen but it's thinned out with other stabilizers so it dosen't cause braindamage when taken for long periods . The Nitrogen is just a propellant and just serves to get the oxygen to your engine, nose, or food. Foodservice N2O has the lowest concentration of oxygen because it's going to be ingested orally. Nitrogen isn't a positive chemical in the human body and does a real number on nerve tissue. BTW: Auto N2O will never make someone laugh unless they think it does, and Medical N2O won't cool your air unless you think it does. Foodservice N2O is useless. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Do you talk out you're *** alot or is this a recent thing?

Nitrous oxide. N20.

Two molecules of nitrogen

one molecule of oxygen.

It's a molecule.

Now you're telling me that different grades of nitrogen DIoxide, have different levels of both nitrogen. and. oxygen.

Being the genius that you are you of course realize that for there to be varying levels of combustible oxygen in:

nitrous oxide

You would have to change the number of oxygen ATOMS in the NITROUS OXIDE MOLECULE.

The oxygen is released by combustion and bonded to by mecahnisms in you're respitory tract.

YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE LEVELS OF USEABLE OXYGEN AND NITROGEN IN NITROUS OXIDE BECASUE ITS A MOLECULE COMPOSED OF THREE ATOMS.

To change the levels of oxygen released when Nitrogen DIoxide is combusted you would need to be a MOLECULAR ENGINEER and design a new molecule called something like:

dinitrogen oxide

or nitroous TRIoxide

But thats not what we're talking about.

And the sulphur IS ADDED. Look up the MATERIAL DATA SAFETY SHEETS for the the diffrennt grades and tell me what they say.

But hey, im sure chemical engineers dont know as much about this stuff as you. (for the record, im not one, but i did pass high-school chemistry)

 

Note the molecular bonds present between the atoms broken during combustion, thus releasing one atom of oxygen and two atoms of combustion controlling in-combustible nitrogen.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Br1t1shguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Note the molecular bonds present between the atoms broken during combustion, thus releasing one atom of oxygen and two atoms of combustion controlling in-combustible nitrogen.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Damn, chemistry deja-vu

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AzCivic1.6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">someone please delete all of 1316130057's posts on this thread, before someone thinks he's right.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hopefully no one will think he is right since everyone else disagrees with him.

100ppm of Sulfur Dioxcide is added as a substance abuse deterrant. NOTHING more. End of story.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RyanCivic2000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Hopefully no one will think he is right since everyone else disagrees with him.

100ppm of Sulfur Dioxcide is added as a substance abuse deterrant. NOTHING more. End of story.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i think we need about 10 more posts of this just so it gets through to him. i guess my ownage post wasn't enough

mike

 

oh yea, br1t1shguy isn't it DI-Nitrogen Oxide? the 2 after the n = 2 nitrogens

mike

 

Mike thats correct it's 2 part nitrogen and one part oxygen.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MikeMAN &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh yea, br1t1shguy isn't it DI-Nitrogen Oxide? the 2 after the n = 2 nitrogens

mike</TD></TR></TABLE>

You would be correct if there wasnt a name for that ion. Two nitrogens bonded together is the ion nitrous, and one oxygen is the ion oxide.

If there isnt an ionic name for the molecule, then you use the prefix.

For example, carbon dioxide, two oxygen ions.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Br1t1shguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You would be correct if there wasnt a name for that ion. Two nitrogens bonded together is the ion nitrous, and one oxygen is the ion oxide.

If there isnt an ionic name for the molecule, then you use the prefix.

For example, carbon dioxide, two oxygen ions.</TD></TR></TABLE>

that pretty much didn't make sense to me, your telling me 2 oxygens = dioxide, obviously..

mike

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MikeMAN &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

that pretty much didn't make sense to me, your telling me 2 oxygens = dioxide, obviously..

mike</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's all part of the wacky world of checmical naming conventions. The same ion can have different names depending on it's charge even. Theres polyatmoic, anionic names and so on.

Heres just a few:

The monatomic anions are named by adding -ide to the root of the name of the nonmetal that forms the anion. For example, N3- is the nitride ion. The names of the anions are below .

hydride ion, H-

nitride ion, N3-

phosphide ion, P3-

oxide ion, O2-

sulfide ion, S2-

selenide ion, Se2-

fluoride ion, F-

chloride ion, Cl-

bromide ion, Br-

iodide ion, I-

Polyatomic Anion Names
There is many polyatomic anions. The following anions are most common.

hydroxide ion, OH-

nitrate ion, NO3-

acetate ion, C2H3O2-

carbonate ion, CO32-

sulfate ion, SO42-

phosphate ion, PO43-

Heres a few more:

NO3- nitrate
NO2- nitrite
NH4+ ammonium
NH3 ammonia
N2 nitrogen gas
N2O nitrous oxide
SO22- hyposulfite
SO32- sulfite
SO42- sulfate
PO43- orthophosphate
H2S hydrogen sulfide
S2- sulfide

As you can see it's a little more complex than using di/tri etc

 

hrmm, thanks for the explination and all, but what about this..

http://www.dd.chalmers.se/~f96....html

 

it lists it as Di-nitrogen monoxide or dinitrogen oxide

mike

 

St00pid: Not only is the sale of medical grade N2O to non-certified buyers a slap-on-the-wrist offense, but I have to question the legitamacy of sulphur testing in oil. Sulphur and carbon dioxide are produced as fossil fuels (petrolieum products like oil, gas etc) break down. Kinda seems like it would be testing for something that would already be in the oil in the first place - unless the N2O somehow got into the oil.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Quote »
Should I use medical grade nitrous or nitrous with sulfur added?

There is no difference from medical grade to NY-trous Plus. However, we strongly recommend the sale of and use of ONLY NY-trous Plus to help eliminate substance abuse.Why is that hard to believe? Tell me this then. If the sulfur is created when it combusts. How the hell is in it before you even inject it in your engine? That one baffles me man. That is just so obvious an din your face but you can't see it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Slipslap: The reason that sulphur is present in the N2O before you even spray is because sulphur is produced as nitrous oxide decomposes w/heat (such as combustion). I've already mentioned this, but perhaps you overlooked it. As a matter of fact, sulhpur is present from the parent chemical of N2O and is EXTRACTED as N2O materializes. It's such a problem that there are different methods for making N2O that has less sulphur (and a host of other chemicals) than other methods. If you'd like I'll provide you with multiple sources that show the other chemicals that appear in the production (and combustion) of N2O as well as the parent chemical that is burned to produce N2O in the first place. What we already know is that N2O after combustion yields SO2 (sulphur dioxide). What you've all failed to ask your self is "where does the sulphur come from??" Or if you're form the school of thought that Sulphur is actually added, you should ask your self "What happens to the nitrogen after combustion??" You already know that 2 of the left over oxygen molecules merge with sulphur. Lets see if you can guess where the Nitrogen goes and where the sulphur comes from...

Also, the quote that you give which reads: "There is no difference from medical grade to NY-trous Plus. However, we strongly recommend the sale of and use of ONLY NY-trous Plus to help eliminate substance abuse." which contradicts the fact that NOS (who supplies Holley in the first place) states that they use less sulphur than most other grades. That would promote substance abuse if anything. Not prevent it. They also lied and told you that "there is no difference from medical grade to NY-trous Plus" where we all know that there is. Unless you made up that "quote" your self...


Mike: I like the way you completely ignored the vast array of questions I asked because you know that you didn't have the answers. Instead of admitting it, you bitched and cried, rather than dispute with actual facts. BTW, incase you forgot it, here are the questions again:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Can you even tell me the source for nitrous in the U.S. and how it's made? How about telling me why industrial grade N2O (which is burned in a furnace and pumps straight into the skies) already has sulphur present in it, when its far too strong for a human being to possibly inhale in the first place? Or why medical grade N2O costs more/lb than all the rest. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Now I don't see how you would call a series of open-ended questions that require your imput a "merry-go-round", but I'm sure you'll think of some other cop-out or poor excuse as to why you didn't read.


Br1t1sh Guy:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The oxygen is released by combustion and bonded to by mecahnisms in you're respitory tract. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong. There's no combustion in the dentists office at the top of their 50lb bottle, nor is there combustion in those nitrous huffers at a rave's hands. They're both direct hits. If you had combustion in those instances, you'd have what's known as a "violent explosion". If you inhaled that post-combustion Nitrous Oxide then you'd be inhaling Sulphur Dioxide and would soon pass out. What you're mistaking this for is that nitrogen is split from the oxygen as it's combusted. But it dosen't have to be combusted for the oxygen portion to be utilized.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Being the genius that you are you of course realize that for there to be varying levels of combustible oxygen in:

nitrous oxide

You would have to change the number of oxygen ATOMS in the NITROUS OXIDE MOLECULE.</TD></TR></TABLE>

And being the genious that YOU are, you realize that there is a difference between a BOTTLE of nitrous oxide and an atom of nitrous oxide. The contents of a BOTTLE OF NITROUS OXIDE is not 100% NITROUS OXIDE - as we already know, which I've been saying for the longest. Someone already asked that and I already adressed it. It would help if you actually read.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And the sulphur IS ADDED. Look up the MATERIAL DATA SAFETY SHEETS for the the diffrennt grades and tell me what it says</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong again, but you probably already read that above. BTW the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS, not MDSS as you say) does not adress the addition of sulphur to nitrous. It states something to the effect of the victim laying flat on their back and inhaling clean air. And "do not induce vomitting and a quick blurb about the paramedics.

I'm going to watch you embarass your self as you try to explain to me that Sulphur is added (though NOS and subsequenly Holley claim to use a more refined grade - although they won't tell you why) then I'll show you that sulphur and N2O production go hand-in-hand and show you why I wear the signature that I do.

To the individual that lives and dies by Cartech's word; I really can't blame you in your situation. Any company that can make $1000 of parts into a $4000 kit must surely be good at something. But you also have to consider the source once again. Cartech dosen't make their own N2O kits. They're retailers for someone elses product so they can only tell you the information that their supplier tells them. It's a "don't kill the messenger" type of thing. So far all the sources for information are either A: groups/companies that sell or endorse a product they buy from their distributor, or B: The distributor them selves. In a's case, they're subject to what they're told by B. In B's case, they can tell you what ever they don't think that you'll find out.

While I'm at it, is there anyone else who wants to suscribe to the "sulphur is intentionally added to Nitrous Oxide, not a byproduct of production and decomposition of Nitrous Oxide" school of thought? I'd like to end this with as many people at one time as I can.

 

Where out of two nitrogen atoms and one oxygen atom do you get one sulfur atom?

2 + 2 = 5

 

Mike: I like the way you completely ignored the vast array of questions I asked because you know that you didn't have the answers. Instead of admitting it, you bitched and cried, rather than dispute with actual facts. BTW, incase you forgot it, here are the questions again:

Can you even tell me the source for nitrous in the U.S. and how it's made? How about telling me why industrial grade N2O (which is burned in a furnace and pumps straight into the skies) already has sulphur present in it, when its far too strong for a human being to possibly inhale in the first place? Or why medical grade N2O costs more/lb than all the rest.

Now I don't see how you would call a series of open-ended questions that require your imput a "merry-go-round", but I'm sure you'll think of some other cop-out or poor excuse as to why you didn't read.


i dont give 2 ***** what the different grades are etc, or actually any of the completely irrelavant questions you asked..

i never brought up medical nitrous, how the **** it was made, industrial nitrous etc...i dont give a ****..stop bringing up **** that has nothing to do with THE FACT THERE IS SULFER IN AUTOMOTIVE NITROUS OXIDE. I never said it would kill anyone, or get someone high, make someone grow a weenie or whatever..

THERE IS SULFER IN AUTOMOTIVE NITROUS OXIDE, USED AS A DETERRENT for inhaling! Weather it would just make you a bit sick or kill you, i dont care.

mike

 

your an idiot

 

if your Cartech quote is referring to me talking about Compucar, you proved you don't know anything. Don't tell me they don't make their own products. yes they have distributors that sell their product. But all those products are made in the warehouse across teh street where I ate lunch today. his name is Ernie and doesn't even look like he has as much money as he does. But they make their own product. They have tons of other companies nitrous parts that they take off cars when they install theirs.