any body using this on their daily driven car? what are the pro and cons of such a set up?

 

I know viren (b18bturbo) uses it on his race car and recommended it to me

 

What exactly is a meziere water pump? Is Meziere the name of the company, or is it the type of water pump? Sorry I'm asking so many questions, but I'm gonna need a new water pump soon cause my timing belt is due soon.

 

meziere replaces the stock waterpump. What it does it reaplces the factory water pump with a dummy plate. Then you hook up a the electric pump and run that as your new water pumpp. I think it can be adapated to run on a street car with no problem.s The kits right now come with mounting hardware to the tranmission and all you would need is lower hose redone. For the cost its definitely worth it.

 

sounds interesting, any installed pics? I've been wondering about the timing belt fitment issue though.Or do you still use the gear for the timing belt on the dummy plate?

 

Yes, there is a dummy pulley on the plate.

 

Where can I find one with a good price. I haven't found one for a honda application.

 

they are 389 usually and most places carry them you can get them from summit etc.


I know ecpracing in NJ has them

 

the only problem is... what if it malfunctions.. considering it is electric

also, whats the advantages to using this water pump? ive always wondered...


[Modified by dlplayboy, 8:01 PM 10/18/2002]

 

I Have one installed on my GSR ...
Some things to think about ---
Pros--
- My engine runs extremely efficiently and cool , my water pump is only on about half of the time while I'm driving(I have A Fluidyne radiator, Summit chrome radiator hoses, a Greddy Radiator cap to raise the PSI so I can run water and water-wetter instead radiator fluid--- so you know its not the water pump itself)
- I can feel that the dummy plate definetly freed up some power, especially in my top end ... I will tak it to the dyno shortly but Im guessing 5 whp throughout the curve!
- Reliability is not that much of an issue, you are talking about a simple pump with a constant 12V to turn it ... we are not talking about a complex electronic device which would be difficult to test or troubleshoot.

Cons:

-- Pain in the *** to install

-- It runs my car too cool and my car takes forever to heat up to nomal operating temperature /// the way around this is that i rigged a CSI water temp guage with a relay to control when my water pump turns on based upon a preset water temperature. Results... while driving you can hear the relay turning the water pump on and off every 30 seconds or so...

--- I'm still wrestling with electrical daemons with my relay setup and it reseting to a base setup of 300F... I'll work through these though ...

--- The Inline electric pump Is very tightly fit next to your distributor.. You most likely will have issues with your Intake or K&N getting in the way

// I think its not the most practical modidification for the average driver, based upon your constant need to pay attention to your water temperature and increased complexity of your system .... but for the person that wants a little extra and doesn't mind the extra work and attention than its worth it

 

I originally thought electric pump would have draw a lot of current. Then I hear that it only draws 6A on start up, and then runs with 3A continous.

 

Do you have any idea how much hp/torque you gain by removing the mechanical water pump and using an electrical one?

Also, I always wondered how that electrical pump works. If you simply have it hooked upto the lower hose pushing towards the thermostat, wouldn't there be a lack of coolant circulation through the head when it's cold? Because the coolant come out of the front/rear coolant port on the head and goes back into the water pipe and circulates..

-Mike

 

Can we use this water pump instead of the GE water pump for deck plated GE blocks?

 

Most dynos from our cars show between 4-6 whp increase throughout the RPM on a basic I/H/C/E setup... this might not seem like that much but we are talking about a consistant whp gain throughout the curve with a little more up top....

Your coolant actually flows this way: Upper radiator hose - Engine - Thermostat - Lower radiator hose - radiator - upper radiator hose

so the pump is actually pulling water through the thermostat and not pushing and the water is pushed against gravity through the radiator ...

One has to drill small holes in the thermostat so even with it completly closed on start the electric water pump can pull water through without straining it and burning out the motor ...

 

I wouldn't think so ... The GE dummy plate would have to reposition the pulley to compensate for the change in deck height so you can still use a stock timing belt ...
The mezeire dummy plate comes in the stock location so it does not compensate for this...

 

Because this is more of a cooling modification and does that suprisingly well, more gains might be found on a Overheated Turbo Teg ... I have only seen a Dyno for I/H/C/E setup and not what can be found from the application on a Turbo setup which one could take advantage of the extra cooling efficiently in tuning their fuel and timing maps...

anyone dyno their Meziere on a High Boost application (after tuning of course)??...

 

Haha this is cool I know Don (I think) Mezeire, he races in Super Gas in NHRA, my Dad races against him quite often, we run a Mezeire pump on our Super Gas Car, great pump, and great company.

 

I just finished fixing my electrical gremlins with The CSI water temp guage, the problem lies in taping the 12 v power source on a fused ACC line... I tried taping at multiple different locations with the same problem of the Guage blacking out and reseting... I fixed the problem by tapping the 12v power supply to a constant hot supply... my water pump now will remain on for about 15 minutes after I stop the car ... no big deal , it shouldn't draw that much current..

 

Does anyone have any pics of the pump mounted? Or more detail on where it actually goes?

I'll be using an AEM EMS so it will be really easy to turn it on and off based on water temp.

 

the pumps mounts to the transmission using a 10mm bolt that is supplied. Most people however remote locate it on the frame next to the wheel.

 

So it goes inline with the lower radiator hose?