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Old Jan 12, 2013 | 07:51 AM
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Does anyone have a write up on thre igniter delete
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Old Jan 12, 2013 | 09:53 AM
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Thank you, I sent you a PM

What is the difference between crane ps92 and Msd HVCII, except the price? !!
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Old Jan 12, 2013 | 10:07 AM
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I dont have a write up on it but what do you need to know ?
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Old Jan 12, 2013 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Steeve_Civic
Thank you, I sent you a PM

What is the difference between crane ps92 and Msd HVCII, except the price? !!
More millijoules out of the hvcll those ******* will kill you if your not careful, not that weaker coils won't but the hvcll throws down for sure.
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Old Jan 12, 2013 | 11:20 AM
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You mine I can blow up m'y engine with HVC II but less with Ps92?

Have you some feed back about that?
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Old Jan 12, 2013 | 01:02 PM
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No. You won't blow up the engine with HVCII. He means you'll give yourself a shock if you touch it physically... Not the car
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Old Jan 12, 2013 | 07:11 PM
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Lol yea yourself not the car... The car wants more fire more fuel and more air all in the correct proportions to make more power. Who couldn't use more spark energy?
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Old Jan 12, 2013 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo-LS
I dont have a write up on it but what do you need to know ?
im looking to buy a digtal 6 box and coil and was tring to how all this wires in
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Old Jan 12, 2013 | 08:14 PM
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Icm delete needs power ground ecu signal and output to the ignition box
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Old Jan 13, 2013 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TheShodan
No. You won't blow up the engine with HVCII. He means you'll give yourself a shock if you touch it physically... Not the car
Ok ok lol, I didn't follow you!

X2 for instructions and pictures.
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Old Jan 13, 2013 | 06:48 AM
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I'm going to be purchasing the icm delete from forum member turbols. The Shodan and others have provided a lot of info on how well the summit boxes work. I agree with turbols that we spend money on good turbos and other parts and try to run an ignition system that may or may not fail. Steve Civic there was another thread on here with Tonio and a few members had great things to say about the icm delete and the summit boxes.
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Old Jan 13, 2013 | 10:42 AM
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Nice, take some picts and instructions please.
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 09:28 AM
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Hey Guys, re-visiting this topic. It faded into the background because I replaced my plugs and my issues went away. However I would like to bump my spark strength a little and open my plug gaps a hair. Currently at 0.028 and increasing that gap to just .030 causes spark blow out. Having such a small gap affected idle and I had to adjust fuel map (lean it out a little).

Anyhow found this Accel coil on Summit Racing. Would this give me a stronger spark than stock or is that just marketing hype?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ac...da/model/civic
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 10:05 AM
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That's a good question.I'm so use to using external coils, I hadn't thought about using an aftermarket internal coil. I should have thought of that when i got another distributor in my fun little old CB7 I keep around.
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 10:45 AM
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Steeve you've asked me tijme and time again about the icm delete. its very simple to wire in. only 4 wires power ground a21 at use and output to your ignition box thats it some ecu are a22 thats the only variance
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MalcolmV8
Hey Guys, re-visiting this topic. It faded into the background because I replaced my plugs and my issues went away. However I would like to bump my spark strength a little and open my plug gaps a hair. Currently at 0.028 and increasing that gap to just .030 causes spark blow out. Having such a small gap affected idle and I had to adjust fuel map (lean it out a little).

Anyhow found this Accel coil on Summit Racing. Would this give me a stronger spark than stock or is that just marketing hype?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ac...da/model/civic
Thats the coil I was referring too. I can almost gaurentee you I picked up power and was able to open up the plugs more after install.

I have no empirical evidence other then I started running out of fuel 1-2lbs earlier then prior.
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 11:36 AM
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Thats the coil I was referring too. I can almost gaurentee you I picked up power and was able to open up the plugs more after install.

I have no empirical evidence other then I started running out of fuel 1-2lbs earlier then prior.
Sweet. At only $50 it's worth a shot especially if you were able to open the plugs a little more with it.
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 03:35 PM
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So its between an internal coil

Or

ICM delete and external box

Hmmmm
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 04:07 PM
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So its between an internal coil

Or

ICM delete and external box

Hmmmm
Well. I still think the BOX has the additional spark needed for even higher applications, (even if it is with the Aftermarket ICM). I just can't compare the Accel ICM with the OEM in terms of specifications.

For most 300-500whp applications, I would think that the ACCEL would REALLY be nice if they can't get the full package quite yet. Hell, I might put one in my brother's car, just try it out.

I did notice that ACCEL was the only company that makes these.. makes for good reading.. And for the price.. WOW.. no more "switching dizzys" all the time.

I wonder if they have aftermarket ignitors too.
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 04:47 PM
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See, I have a practically brand new (OEM not cheap ****) obd2 b series VTEC dizzy. So I know I already have a slight advantage given the health of the electrical components

I also use msd big red plug wires and NGK iridium plugs, so I'll have a fairly low resistance, high energy spark from the start, however, given my 400ish whp goal at high pressure levels (20-25psi) as well as my compression ratio (around 10:1 static) I need more spark energy to overcome higher than normal cylinder pressures (assuming a typical low compression build)

So I'm trying to decide the best way to go and do it once
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 10:46 PM
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See, I have a practically brand new (OEM not cheap ****) obd2 b series VTEC dizzy. So I know I already have a slight advantage given the health of the electrical components

I also use msd big red plug wires and NGK iridium plugs, so I'll have a fairly low resistance, high energy spark from the start, however, given my 400ish whp goal at high pressure levels (20-25psi) as well as my compression ratio (around 10:1 static) I need more spark energy to overcome higher than normal cylinder pressures (assuming a typical low compression build)

So I'm trying to decide the best way to go and do it once
Mallory box, ICM delete, External coil.. or Leave in ICM, use Mallory box and good plugs. Only 2 ways to do it.. try it out and see. Either way, i'd use the Mallory box and not solely depend on that upgraded ICM
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 11:17 PM
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The other catch, being obd2 I need this setup to either be easily removable or not interfere with the ECU's readiness checks.
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 08:48 AM
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What about an MSD Street Fire CD ignition with a blaster coil and the ICM delete. I stiil have these laying around new?
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by nu2teg
What about an MSD Street Fire CD ignition with a blaster coil and the ICM delete. I stiil have these laying around new?
Use them.. You wouldn't be wasting your money. Just use it.. its ok.

There is more than one way to skin a cat. Remember that, gentlemen.
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 11:16 AM
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Sadly i can report that I've tried the accel coil twice (2) and I've noticed absolutely no improvement over stock coil. both cars are b18 turbo. One car does 20 psi with water injection with gt3076r. On that car the gap is down to 22 with the accel coil. I must say it was always at .22 even with the stock coil. We've already purchased the icm delete from forum member TURBOLS for this car, so hopefully we'll be able to reopen the plug gaps to what Turbols runs. The other car is on 17 psi with a pte5858 and the gap on that one is 28. It has no ignition breakup at all and revs cleanly to 8600, but has not seen boost above that level.
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