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I would like to get some feed back regarding these two engine managment systems. I am currently running with the AEM EMS system but I am not happy with the way my car is running.
I know this has to do with how the car is tunned and by whom.
I just dont know if I should spend the money for tunning the AEM system with Churchs or Bisi or replace the AEM with Hondata and have Church's or Bisi tune the car.
The most important thing to me is driveablity and not horse power.
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I know this has to do with how the car is tunned and by whom.
I just dont know if I should spend the money for tunning the AEM system with Churchs or Bisi or replace the AEM with Hondata and have Church's or Bisi tune the car.
The most important thing to me is driveablity and not horse power.
Thanks
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Re: Hondata or AEM
Honestly, since you already have the AEM system, just get it re-tuned by someone who is familiar with the system and knows what they are doing..... The car should run fine on either system, its simply a matter of getting someone competent to do the tuning effectively.
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Im 50/50 i like that you can convert to a hal sensor and run COP where with hondata the COP is less to be desired on the eyes.
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Re: Hondata or AEM
I would like to get some feed back regarding these two engine managment systems. I am currently running with the AEM EMS system but I am not happy with the way my car is running.
I know this has to do with how the car is tunned and by whom.
I just dont know if I should spend the money for tunning the AEM system with Churchs or Bisi or replace the AEM with Hondata and have Church's or Bisi tune the car.
The most important thing to me is driveablity and not horse power.
Thanks
I know this has to do with how the car is tunned and by whom.
I just dont know if I should spend the money for tunning the AEM system with Churchs or Bisi or replace the AEM with Hondata and have Church's or Bisi tune the car.
The most important thing to me is driveablity and not horse power.
Thanks
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I agree. The system is NOT the problem, not to mention with proper tuning an AEM EMS system will give you more opportunity for fine tuning. We work with the engineers over at AEM Electronics and have tuned several street and competitive race vehicles throughout the years, not to mention our own project vehicles. A lot of attention in put into partial throttle tuning to insure our clients vehicles drive with the same characteristics as a factory stock vehicle.
I do recommend investing on an AEM UEGO Controller (wideband), if you do not already have one, and wire it up to your EMS as described in the instructions. If you do choose to tune with us, once your setup is tuned Bisi will go on a ride along with you. He will then setup the closed loop parameters and calibrate the UEGO Controller, allowing your AEM EMS to adjust your fuel maps automatically. This to insure proper air/fuel ratios as your driving or racing your vehicle, no matter where you are, gaining better drivability and even fuel economy.
Shoot me a PM if you need some more information.
I do recommend investing on an AEM UEGO Controller (wideband), if you do not already have one, and wire it up to your EMS as described in the instructions. If you do choose to tune with us, once your setup is tuned Bisi will go on a ride along with you. He will then setup the closed loop parameters and calibrate the UEGO Controller, allowing your AEM EMS to adjust your fuel maps automatically. This to insure proper air/fuel ratios as your driving or racing your vehicle, no matter where you are, gaining better drivability and even fuel economy.
Shoot me a PM if you need some more information.
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Who is going to tune your car, once you answer that, see what they feel comfortable with..
The AEM v1 is garbage, v2 is better, but if your tuner feels more inclinded to tune crapdata, then by all means, go with that... Whats easier for your tuner, will make it easier on the long run.
The AEM v1 is garbage, v2 is better, but if your tuner feels more inclinded to tune crapdata, then by all means, go with that... Whats easier for your tuner, will make it easier on the long run.
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Long time supporter of the DIY community, programs like Neptune, eCtune, Crome, uberdata, stuff that paved the way for the programs like Hondata..
I dont support the way hondata approached the situation that happened with PGMFI.org a few years back.. I still tune hondata, still recommend it from time to time, but i dont like to back it, if i dont have to.. Most people go with hondata because its mainstream. Its a good program and does what it needs to do, and contiunes to get support and progression..but thats easy when the company has a ton of money involved in it.. Just my opinion on things, others have different ones, others share my opinion, to each his own.
I dont support the way hondata approached the situation that happened with PGMFI.org a few years back.. I still tune hondata, still recommend it from time to time, but i dont like to back it, if i dont have to.. Most people go with hondata because its mainstream. Its a good program and does what it needs to do, and contiunes to get support and progression..but thats easy when the company has a ton of money involved in it.. Just my opinion on things, others have different ones, others share my opinion, to each his own.
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TurboEdit, BRE, or Crome Free!
That will save you time and money... up front that is! HAHA.
Regardless, before you get into anything, be sure to check or upgrade your ignition components. I don't know how many times people come in for a retune and their plugs are fouled, distributor cap is trashed, or a spark wire is grounding out.
That will save you time and money... up front that is! HAHA.
Regardless, before you get into anything, be sure to check or upgrade your ignition components. I don't know how many times people come in for a retune and their plugs are fouled, distributor cap is trashed, or a spark wire is grounding out.
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I have a guy down here in San Diego that is AEM cert and went to the school last year. IMO church is a great tuner and all and has been a icon in the industry. But he has gotten to big for his own good and is disconnected with his customers. He is more focused on his expansion and his sponsored race cars and what not. He does not take the time necessary to go in depth with the car. They guy I have will redo your entire map and make it RIGHT and then tweak it with a couple street pulls as the dyno and actual road conditions will vary. IF your interested in his number PM me and I can hook you up. He is in San Marcos/vista area.
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I agree. The system is NOT the problem, not to mention with proper tuning an AEM EMS system will give you more opportunity for fine tuning. We work with the engineers over at AEM Electronics and have tuned several street and competitive race vehicles throughout the years, not to mention our own project vehicles. A lot of attention in put into partial throttle tuning to insure our clients vehicles drive with the same characteristics as a factory stock vehicle.
I do recommend investing on an AEM UEGO Controller (wideband), if you do not already have one, and wire it up to your EMS as described in the instructions. If you do choose to tune with us, once your setup is tuned Bisi will go on a ride along with you. He will then setup the closed loop parameters and calibrate the UEGO Controller, allowing your AEM EMS to adjust your fuel maps automatically. This to insure proper air/fuel ratios as your driving or racing your vehicle, no matter where you are, gaining better drivability and even fuel economy.
Shoot me a PM if you need some more information.
I do recommend investing on an AEM UEGO Controller (wideband), if you do not already have one, and wire it up to your EMS as described in the instructions. If you do choose to tune with us, once your setup is tuned Bisi will go on a ride along with you. He will then setup the closed loop parameters and calibrate the UEGO Controller, allowing your AEM EMS to adjust your fuel maps automatically. This to insure proper air/fuel ratios as your driving or racing your vehicle, no matter where you are, gaining better drivability and even fuel economy.
Shoot me a PM if you need some more information.
Julio I am gonna drop by tommorrow before pomona, I need you to check something out for me.
Long time supporter of the DIY community, programs like Neptune, eCtune, Crome, uberdata, stuff that paved the way for the programs like Hondata..
I dont support the way hondata approached the situation that happened with PGMFI.org a few years back.. I still tune hondata, still recommend it from time to time, but i dont like to back it, if i dont have to.. Most people go with hondata because its mainstream. Its a good program and does what it needs to do, and contiunes to get support and progression..but thats easy when the company has a ton of money involved in it.. Just my opinion on things, others have different ones, others share my opinion, to each his own.
I dont support the way hondata approached the situation that happened with PGMFI.org a few years back.. I still tune hondata, still recommend it from time to time, but i dont like to back it, if i dont have to.. Most people go with hondata because its mainstream. Its a good program and does what it needs to do, and contiunes to get support and progression..but thats easy when the company has a ton of money involved in it.. Just my opinion on things, others have different ones, others share my opinion, to each his own.
TurboEdit, BRE, or Crome Free!
That will save you time and money... up front that is! HAHA.
Regardless, before you get into anything, be sure to check or upgrade your ignition components. I don't know how many times people come in for a retune and their plugs are fouled, distributor cap is trashed, or a spark wire is grounding out.
That will save you time and money... up front that is! HAHA.
Regardless, before you get into anything, be sure to check or upgrade your ignition components. I don't know how many times people come in for a retune and their plugs are fouled, distributor cap is trashed, or a spark wire is grounding out.
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IMO church is a great tuner and all and has been a icon in the industry. But he has gotten to big for his own good and is disconnected with his customers. He is more focused on his expansion and his sponsored race cars and what not. He does not take the time necessary to go in depth with the car.
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Please child, I have been tuning for almost 5 decades - do not mock me. It was a joke... can you not read through the lines? Either way, Crome has fixed some of the saving issues that it used to have, or so I am told anyways. That is what I pay the tuner on staff for...
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Please child, I have been tuning for almost 5 decades - do not mock me. It was a joke... can you not read through the lines? Either way, Crome has fixed some of the saving issues that it used to have, or so I am told anyways. That is what I pay the tuner on staff for...
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There are so many opinions about engine management... Again, it brings back to what your tuner prefers.
I like AEM personally, as I run AEM V1's for my Supra, Camry and Integra. Over the years, I've went back and forth with ECTune/Hondata and AEM EMS on my Integra, but each system has its own strengths and weaknesses. I am still on an AEM V1 right now on my Integra.
If your tuner doesn't tune AEM very often, then they won't have a nicely dialed in basemap for the streetable stuff.
I like AEM personally, as I run AEM V1's for my Supra, Camry and Integra. Over the years, I've went back and forth with ECTune/Hondata and AEM EMS on my Integra, but each system has its own strengths and weaknesses. I am still on an AEM V1 right now on my Integra.
If your tuner doesn't tune AEM very often, then they won't have a nicely dialed in basemap for the streetable stuff.
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I have a guy down here in San Diego that is AEM cert and went to the school last year. IMO church is a great tuner and all and has been a icon in the industry. But he has gotten to big for his own good and is disconnected with his customers. He is more focused on his expansion and his sponsored race cars and what not. He does not take the time necessary to go in depth with the car. They guy I have will redo your entire map and make it RIGHT and then tweak it with a couple street pulls as the dyno and actual road conditions will vary. IF your interested in his number PM me and I can hook you up. He is in San Marcos/vista area.
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