<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I see a lot of talking and no proof.

10's in the 1/8th mile I would believe. The funny thing is that I am not ignorant. In fact, here's another tidbit from C&D for you:

Dodge Viper SRT-10:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.2 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 11.8 sec @ 123 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 193 mph

So you are beating the top-rated Viper by almost 2 seconds? I wouldn't even consider the SRT-10 safe for the street. The car has been known to get squirrely, and it was designed for it. I'll just let your obviously refined education speak for itself.

Do you really keep the car below 4000 RPM on the street to avoid overpowering it? Making no boost, the torqueband is just too small to keep it there all the time. Regardless, it still isn't safe. If you have 500hp on tap, and you have to react to an emergency, lo and behold, you step on the gas and make the problem worse.</TD></TR></TABLE>

cool you can read from car and driver mag thats a neat trick!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I see a lot of talking and no proof.

So you are beating the top-rated Viper by almost 2 seconds? I wouldn't even consider the SRT-10 safe for the street. The car has been known to get squirrely, and it was designed for it. I'll just let your obviously refined education speak for itself.

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ohhhhh! so you own a viper? damm you must think you are hot **** then!
hey **** bag dont talk to me about getting squirrely I have owned over 4 RX-7 turbos!
once again YOU DONT KNOW ****!!!!!!!!

 

Let me just repost a video to make my point more clear:

Pete's Ride Along

This was posted elsewhere. 350 whp, don't know how fast it is, but you can see that he can barely control the car. When the turbo spools he immediately loses wheel traction. If he wasn't a good driver....

Tinypenis, I mean Hugepistons: When did I ever say I owned a Viper? You should just be ashamed of your lack of education. You owned over 4 RX-7s? So like 4 1/2? 4 3/4? What happened to the first 4? Crash them? Blow them up?

 

damm you can also watch videos too?? well this proves you are not blind eather!

I dont care what you read or watch you dont own or drive a honda with real power so one more time you DONT KNOW **** YOU ARE TALKING OUT OF YOUR ***!

 

I just have to ask, what is your level of education? Do don't seem to understand simple concepts like supporting your arguments with evidence.

 

if you call an "education" having a subscription to car and driver mag then you got me beat buddy!!!!

but when it comes down to who know there **** about real cars, well I think I got you there. because about 90% of the **** you have said here it BULL **** you made up excet the facts you read from your stupid ******* magazine!

 

OK. Beepy, just leave this thread, it's beneath you.

I'm going to agree, partially, with Beepy. A sensible daily driver shouldn't be more than about 350whp. BUT - I think it's ok to have more power on-tap, just tune a moderate setup for street use, and when it's time to hit the track - be more agressive.

Have you ever read threads posted by some of the more credible names on this board? THere was a memorable one posted a while back about the ridiculous concern for overpowered cars. The big boys, the people making gobs of power, the people with experience - a few of them were saying that the newcomers wanting 500hp and 10s timeslips should really reconsider...and perhaps try a 300whp car first. Do they even know what 300whp feels like? That's PLENTY for the streets...

I'm also going to say that if you have 500whp, and a 10s car - it's ok. Drive it on the streets. BUT - you had better be responsible. People who have the dedication to build such engines usually are responsible people though, I'd think.

HugePistons: You shouldn't be racing on the streets - if you truly have that much power, you're simply assisting Beepy's case...unsafe driver. You've got to watch your attitude, too; you may be a nice guy, but perhaps try to control your language and manner. You will be better and more credible for it.

Original Topic: This thread has been crapped; I suggest a search...sorry for the **** poor initial impression of HT - it's actually a great environment.

 

HOW BOW A LIL BIT A HEAD

PS: read it really fast y0.

 

Sorry for that up there. I was using it as a break in the battle of beepy and Hugepistons, but archmage got in there before i did... now i feel bad. HT really is a great place though

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by archmage &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK. Beepy, just leave this thread, it's beneath you.

I'm going to agree, partially, with Beepy. A sensible daily driver shouldn't be more than about 350whp. BUT - I think it's ok to have more power on-tap, just tune a moderate setup for street use, and when it's time to hit the track - be more agressive.

Have you ever read threads posted by some of the more credible names on this board? THere was a memorable one posted a while back about the ridiculous concern for overpowered cars. The big boys, the people making gobs of power, the people with experience - a few of them were saying that the newcomers wanting 500hp and 10s timeslips should really reconsider...and perhaps try a 300whp car first. Do they even know what 300whp feels like? That's PLENTY for the streets...

I'm also going to say that if you have 500whp, and a 10s car - it's ok. Drive it on the streets. BUT - you had better be responsible. People who have the dedication to build such engines usually are responsible people though, I'd think.

HugePistons: You shouldn't be racing on the streets - if you truly have that much power, you're simply assisting Beepy's case...unsafe driver. You've got to watch your attitude, too; you may be a nice guy, but perhaps try to control your language and manner. You will be better and more credible for it.

Original Topic: This thread has been crapped; I suggest a search...sorry for the **** poor initial impression of HT - it's actually a great environment.</TD></TR></TABLE>

no I just like ******* around online
well dont worry I know the bad apples when I see um!
as for beepy being credible???? this guy probably dose more harm then good trying to help any one out! I know there is a lot of people that know there stuff around here but you got to dig for it. I have had plennty of names here and have watched people like this do nothing but read off of someone elses web page about **** they dont have a clue about!

and yes I would agree that 300 would be a good starting point but these are your opinion. so it is not plenty for the streets when you lose to modded '03 cobras.

the dude has no info from any experience he has had so thats why I call BULL ****!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by adictionbass &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">. . HT really is a great place though </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes you are right it is a good source of info if you talk to the right people!!! :

but when you run into that guy who fills you full of **** that they heard from the shop down the street or there sisters boyfriend told them about then they go post it on H/T that **** blows and alot of the newer people dont look out for this and they get filled full of crap. I hea it all the time from people "but on honda-tech they said" THEY who is they some one who knows there stuff or your internet pal beepy? (AKA C&D MagMaster)

this place is great if you look in the right places!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tinypenis, I mean Hugepistons: </TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL! now that's funny......anyway, has ANYBODY answer the flippin' original question? high compression or low compression?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I see a lot of talking and no proof.

10's in the 1/8th mile I would believe. The funny thing is that I am not ignorant. In fact, here's another tidbit from C&D for you:

Dodge Viper SRT-10:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.2 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 11.8 sec @ 123 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 193 mph

So you are beating the top-rated Viper by almost 2 seconds? I wouldn't even consider the SRT-10 safe for the street. The car has been known to get squirrely, and it was designed for it. I'll just let your obviously refined education speak for itself.

Do you really keep the car below 4000 RPM on the street to avoid overpowering it? Making no boost, the torqueband is just too small to keep it there all the time. Regardless, it still isn't safe. If you have 500hp on tap, and you have to react to an emergency, lo and behold, you step on the gas and make the problem worse.
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as far as safe maybe you are right because when you stabit and the lsd needs a sec to lock yea have to hang the f*^ck on to the wheel or you are jumping lanes for traffic. But it dose not mean that some off us do not drive it on the street like that. Yea and vipers suck *** go back to reading car and driver. Sounds to me like your car dose not make that much power so dont be hateing on people because you cant build a car.

 

wow so much anger lol i have an 11 second daily driven car thats goin into the 10's and its very safe...
its a built 91 gsx

 

It would be easier to create power and more safe to run a low compression setup oppose to a high compression setup.

High compression: To get your desired 400 whp out of high compression with a 10.1 compression pistion you'd have to get a pretty big turbo running at a decent amount of boost too. When you cramp high boost into a smaller piston chamber you create nice horsepower, but along with this you put ALOT of stress on your engine with the pressure that you're creating to get this effect. This type of system although creating the same amount of power as a low compression setup just isn't safe and eventually you'll run into efficiency problems too. Think about it, if you push the exsaust out faster (which is what a high compression setup would do) you get the turbine in the turbo spinning pretty good. The boost you create is being crammed into a "smaller" piston chamber. Eventually you're gonna hit a point where you can't push anymore air into that little chamber....you've just topped out your setup.

Low compression: With a lower compression setup you can easily make a high horse power car and make it work with a desired efficiency, and also creating less stress on the motor. Pushin 20psi into a bigger piston "bigger" piston chamber is alot less stressful that pushin 20psi into a high compression setup. Creatin similar horsepower, but the difference is gonna be the STRESS factor. Low compression is going to give you less stress on your motor and better effieciency.

To put things in perspective I'll give you an analogy. Using an ounce on gunpowder and putting it into a smaller chamber and bigger chamber resivor with a lid. The smaller chamber is exactly big enough to hold an ounce. The bigger resivor is able to hold an ounce and a half. Light both and Which one gets a bigger harder hitting explosion?? But lets say you put an ounce and a half of gunpowder into the mix. With the smaller resivor you have an over flow of gunpowder and once you light the container you're only using an ounce still. But with the bigger resivor you get to use all of the ounce and a half of gunpowder. You see the smaller container is limited to its ounce and the bigger container you can keep going till you get to an ounce and a half, but its a half on ounce more than smaller resivor.

I could go on for days trying to explain but for some reason I'm having a hard time getting to the point I think. I'm gonna need other peoples help and input

Cliff notes: If the analogy worked it should explain efficiency, stress, and limitations when it comes to high and low compression. There's alot of other factors that could be brought out when comparing high/low comp. but it would take days to type that all up. Let me know what you guys think.

 

I think big powered Hondas are streetable. There are things like traction control, gear/rpm based boost controllers that can easily help. Having a road monster doesn't mean that you have to drive like one all the time, just crank down the boost for street use not to mention learning how to drive and abit of common sense.... so why is 10/11 secs cars not possible you say??

 

Fine you guys don't want to get into a conversation about high/low comp. Then I'll join yours on a streetable 400hp/11s car.

You guys are talking about different things I think. One is saying you can't drive a car that runs 11secs looking at the beating on it portion of it cause of traction and bla bla bla. The other is sayin you can drive around with an 11 sec car cause realistically you don't take an 11sec car to redline in every gear when driving on the street. Either way you guys have gone way to far with the whole daily driven part of the question in the original first thread.

 

If you "crank down the boost" you are no longer driving a 11-second car.

Now it is entirely possible to own a car that is capable of running 11's on the strip, and driving it on the street. But you can't pull an 11.0, then drive off the strip and go home safely. You will need to reduce the boost settings, possibly load another tune onto your management unit, close your race-readies and pull off the slicks. But then, like I said above, it wouldn't be capable of running 11's anymore, so it would not be an 11-second car on the street.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you "crank down the boost" you are no longer driving a 11-second car.

Now it is entirely possible to own a car that is capable of running 11's on the strip, and driving it on the street. But you can't pull an 11.0, then drive off the strip and go home safely. You will need to reduce the boost settings, possibly load another tune onto your management unit, close your race-readies and pull off the slicks. But then, like I said above, it wouldn't be capable of running 11's anymore, so it would not be an 11-second car on the street.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why couldn't you just NOT FLOOR IT??

 

haha
this thread is hilariouse.
beeby..... dood get off you high horse bro. I personally think you don't know what your talking about period. Maybe you do maybe you don't. I don't care.

Well this topice has been beaten to death.... Have you guys tried search?
Heres some links... hope it helps.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=935872
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=830284
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=580356
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=355400
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=664117
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=629558
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https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=597789
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=600673
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=432338
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=516794
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=354351
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=353960
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=304393
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=243123
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=202294
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=64615
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=922465
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=887479

there is much more.
Also search on other forms like superhonda, clubsi, ect... lol

 

do any of you guys actually HAVE a 11second turbo car?


sounds like a bunch of kids argueing at recess....


DING!!!! the bell has rang.. back to class with all of you.

 

Hahaha....Charlie puts an end to this thread with a single post.

 

I would go lower compression run more boost safely, also if is your daily driver you are going to see different conditons you will have less chance of detonation

 

I hate to be on topic also.. You know the new rules and all. I would go lower compression. Maybe 9:1 and figure on 15-18 psi. That should get you where you want to be.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you "crank down the boost" you are no longer driving a 11-second car.

Now it is entirely possible to own a car that is capable of running 11's on the strip, and driving it on the street. But you can't pull an 11.0, then drive off the strip and go home safely. You will need to reduce the boost settings, possibly load another tune onto your management unit, close your race-readies and pull off the slicks. But then, like I said above, it wouldn't be capable of running 11's anymore, so it would not be an 11-second car on the street.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok shooter once agian you are wrong 11.4 125mhp pump gas 17-18psi now that is with slicks but still dont change chips or anything just front tires so just give up you are wrong and go back to reading some more motor trend's