str8tchillin

Hey Honda guys,

So I have been debating lately on what to do. I just acquired a 92 hatch shell and right now I have about $3000 to spend on a engine and I'm not sure witch way to go.

My first option was going with a gsr (b18c) from hmotorsonline.com witch ik isn't going to be molested and purchase the LSD for about $2800 and then save up and do a port and polish and build up the head and then turbo it in about a year.

My second option was to buy a b18 ls engine since there cheap locally around here like $500 and then turbo that and over the year build it up and possibly do a lsv and sleeve and everything.

I'm personally think the gsr but I want suggestions on what's the better route to go. Ik I can only get two - fast, reliable, or cheap and even if I have to save more I want fast and reliable. It's not going to be a dd or a drag car. It's just a car I can say that's mine. Something that has ***** when I need them but something that's fun to drive at the same time.

I'm open to all suggestions and any feed back would be great

civickiller

Not a dd or a drag car, so autocross?

Power goals?

str8tchillin

More of a weekend car. And just street drivable. And honestly I'm not sure about power goals. It's my first turbo so I would like to say start with 250 to 300 and then as time goes by upgrade more parts and boost.

TheShodan

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What setups have you looked at so far that seem to be similar to the goals you have in mind?

racebum

tough one.

for $3500 shipped you can get an ITR swap. it's a bit faster than the gsr and also a more torquey engine for DD status

the only reason i hesitate with thinking turbo at your budget is cost. $500 LS engine plus nick nacks gives you around 2500 for the turbo. if you do it really smart and source some used parts you could probably pull it off. as someone doing a new turbo setup myself, all said and done it's just under $4000

civickiller

I like lsvtecs, only cause I have one. Gsrs are good motors too.
But you also need the accessories than just the motor too

lsvtecs are said to be unreliable by some, which I dont believe. I actually have one and raced it every weekend for years vs heresay by people that don't have one

I made 266whp@8psi no boos controller so couldn't go higher psi but you'll get the same #s with a gsr.

It overall it comes to you and prices u can find and which one is cheaper

civickiller

He did say $3000 for motor, idk if that includes the turbo kit or not

500 isn't much more for type r swap, it's a good motor but I don't like the tranny for boost

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

Huh? That's only if you have a JDM ITR model due to the final drive of the JDM type R and the camshafts. Otherwise, there's no difference. There's no additional torquey-ness about the 2 unless you have the 4.785 final drive (JDM model), and even then, that's due to the powerband changing from the transmission

str8tchillin

No I haven't started to loon at kits. The only one I'm aware of is full race. But ik there 3k - 5k and I don't mind saving up another month for 2 more grand but idk. The only reason I didn't think about the type r was everything I read is that the gsr was a better engine for boost and ik boost is the way I wanna go. And as far as the ls option I thought about it more and found locally on craigslist a lsv with a p&p b16 head for 800 no tranny. And yea Ik saving up a little more will give me more potential. But ik if I went the gsr route it's a fresh gsr and ik that ppl haven't really abused it plus I can save up and in 6 months to a yr do a fresh turbo kit. But I guess I'm really not sure how much a turbo would cost in the long run. Every shop I've called it's always like "it can really depend" and ik that but a ball park? What are some options? If I spend xxx and I purchased this upgrade for xxxx more how much better will it be? And I almost had a fresh gsr for a donor since my dad works at a scrap yard but right as I called him to save it for me he crushed it. So idk what to do.

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

Stop. wait. I'm not just talking about "kits". I'm talking about the power goals that you're looking at. The "kit" is just the parts, and with all due respect to Full Race, there are MUCH more affordable alternatives out there in which you can still save for the right parts, and have extra to address the other finer points of turbocharging. Save the money on the P&P, as it is not necessary for this, and get a simple GS-R or B16 head. Stop thinking NA, and think BOOST. The same components don't automatically match.

PM me for a breakdown of some examples.

racebum

op said gsr

engine vs engine the itr is going to be the quicker to drive around town of the two not to mention just a touch faster

you've got

single runner manifold
better header
R cams
more compression
larger tb
increase in redline
better power curve from 3500up

sdobson910

Go-autoworks has Turbo kits for like 2000 shipped or right around there. I would say grab the LS and boost it. I pieced my setup together for 1200 thats everything minus tune. I personally wouldnt buy an LS-Vtec off someone, unless you trust them, just because you dont know how well they built it. You can do it if your patient and even an LS in an EG hatch is pretty quick. Then turbo the stock motor and you can have 300whp with a good tune. My freinds turbo LS integra has been going on two years and still reliable, even with him beating on it.

racebum

they aren't kits, they are starts. no clutch, wideband, boost gauge, injectors etc

TheShodan

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But when it comes to turbocharger, those advantages are not necessarily there, and NOT worth the additional cost to purchase over a GS-R , JUST to add a turbocharger.

racebum

absolutely agree

str8tchillin

Thanks for all the input, my power goal is around 300 give or take. But I would be happy with 250. Then everything I was told from friends are wrong. Ik I have to get bigger injectors,wide band and boost gauge. Put they also said it's a must to p&p the head upgrade valves cams etc. So I guess without asking a dumb question. What all do I need to get around 300?

BigMike0147

You can turbo a stock LS and get 300hp reliably with a good tune

racebum

basically

head over to the ls turbo thread and read up. you'll find multiple ways to get there.

civickiller

To get to 300whp, just get a boost controller and a good tune